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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Hypocrisy writ large.


So is interference happening or not?

Historically, USA #1, daylight #2.


For pages you and others have been claiming it a delusional conspiracy theory. 

Ms Halley and all of the intelligence agencies say different  


nope. just in the context of russia and usa interference in other countries politics...this russian interference is barely worth mentioning.

its a pimple on the arse of american interference and actual "war " on other countries, if those countries so hapoened to vote for the wrong guy.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Why do you think he has assembled the biggest investigative team in US criminal history?



http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/356253-judging-by-muellers-staffing-choices-he-may-not-be-very-interested-in?amp
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An investigation into "any links and/or coordination between Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump, and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation"

That is a very broad mandate, and I dont see any areas that Mueller seems to be investigating that doesn't come under that brief. 

Manafort she says is a bit player in this. I disagree and have said from the start that he is a very central player and as the person enlisted to enable access to Trump by his handlers with his history of being a political 'fixer' in Ukraine and many other tough places, but principally Ukraine 

The investigation into Trump's and Kushner's financial dealings with Russian oligarchs and bankers is central to their motivation and to the leverage Russians may have had to get them onboard.

That doesn't even to begin to cover the areas that were covered in coordinating the targeted cyber attacks that weaponised the fake information used to target those swing states. Kushner's and Cambridge's claims that they ''won'' the election for Trump makes them and their financiers the Mercers(also then and now Bannon's open cheque backer) central in that coordination.

This is a huge multi national investigation that will go on for years, and along the way take down a lot of people who acted illegally in trying to rig an election for Russia

Trump, as I have always said was initially unwitting but so heavily compromised that Kushner, the point of first contact by the Russian financiers(funny how his first contact on winning was a Russian bank) got him elected, but then Trump, as Nixon did became involved in the cover up that brought him down eventually The obstruction case is solid and leverage to get Trump to spill to save himself
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Also she seems to not be a fan of Weissman and reading her piece you might be forgiven for thinking he is the only investigator. He is one of 18 and brought in specifically to 'flip' witnesses, which is what, as she points out, he did in the Enron case. It is much bigger than Weissman, but I think he is there to influence Manafort and Kushner to turn
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Finally Donald has the proof that Ted Cruz father shot JFKThumbs Up 

Next, those emails and that birth certificate

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very interesting. lets hope don can unlock the secret files on JFK.

kevin costner could be back in work.
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"subject to further information"....what a load of clap-trap, if he was intent on releasing the files, he should have just released them after having any hurdles cleared.
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LOL, California is officially beyond saving.

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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

"subject to further information"....what a load of clap-trap, if he was intent on releasing the files, he should have just released them after having any hurdles cleared.

He is playing games. He wants to create a narrative that there were FBI and CIA ''issues'' involved in the investigation before doing it(or not). 

His appointed CIA director  Mike Pompeo has been furiously trying to convince him not to, presumably due to the sensitive operational information that made Oswald ''the one'' despite inconclusive and highly circumstantial evidence. The subsequent killing of Oswald by Ruby is another cloudy matter not entirely implausible in the heightened cold war environment.

Trump doesn't need to release them, just have the agencies implore him not to, in order to place a cloud over the way they do things in those intelligence agencies. Fast forward to Trump/Russia investigation and place that same cloud over it suggesting business is still conducted the same way and that he is Oswald now.
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I don't know about him wanting to look like the new Oswald, but my suspicious mind immediately jumped to thinking he would say his desire to open the files was thwarted by the intelligence apparatus. A genuine intent to expose the files would only have been made public after having the idea cleared first.
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The victim of a conspiracy
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you make it sound like your trusted with all you heart cia and fbi are shrouded in corruption and controversy re JFK .

all the more reason trump should release them. we need the truth, not least the famiy of john f k.
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It is an executive decision whether to unseal them now or extend the seal on them, so he alone can open them if he wants to. 
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Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

you make it sound like your trusted with all you heart cia and fbi are shrouded in corruption and controversy re JFK .

all the more reason trump should release them. we need the truth, not least the famiy of john f k.

As usual you are nowhere near the point
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It is an executive decision whether to unseal them now or extend the seal on them, so he alone can open them if he wants to. 

"They said it was too dangerous to let you, the American public, know the truth. I wanted to, I really did, but, you know, we are at the mercy of bureaucrats, and the advice they give us. We can only make decisions based on the information they provide."
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whatever will be released will be tangential to the assasination, in all likelihood.
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It apparently contains CIA psychological profile of Oswald, diaries of a CIA operative E Howard Hunt with entries about Oswald. Hunt was later a Watergate conspirator, involved in the investigation of Robert Kennedy and many other covert activities, closed conressional testimony about Oswald's activities including a trip to Mexico.....
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There are about 35,000 documents that have been partially released or never released that are due this week, unless Trump prevents all or part of them from being released. He alone has discretion
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When we say documents are to be released, they may still be redacted ?
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Oswald apparently visited the russian and cuban embassy in mexico to get a visa so he could go to russia. the CIA had surveillance on those embassies, it might show what they knew about oswalds trip to mexico and his intentions thereafter.

it might reveal more on what hunt apparently told his two sons...that it was a rogue cia inside job.

interestingly...only 1% of all the jfk files on the assasination are left in secret. everything else is already out in the public domain.
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

When we say documents are to be released, they may still be redacted ?

That is up to Trump There are tens of thousands of documents that were redacted and released previously. The complete versions make up much of what is awaiting final release. There are over 3,000 complete documents that have never been seen publicly
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

When we say documents are to be released, they may still be redacted ?


That is up to Trump There are tens of thousands of documents that were redacted and released previously. The complete versions make up much of what is awaiting final release. There are over 3,000 complete documents that have never been seen publicly


Why would anyone want to see more about a well documented happening 54 years ago. ?            I remember it well .      I woke up in a bed in Orange NSW ( where I shouldn't have been) and heard the terrible news .     The world loved Kennedy at that time, but that changed when they found out he was doing in earlier years, what I was doing when his demise news came through.
All's well that ends well , I got dressed and went home to the Mrs.
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A lot of FBI and CIA stuff is thought to include a lot of stuff related to failings and errors on their parts, as well as details of operations they would rather not be known, lest it compromise the security of people and tactics used to gather and assess information. There are thousands of redacted files that have partially released whose hidden details will be released. There are other files relating to political motivation and cources of action that could ''embarrass'' people still living. A plethora of reasons maxie.

Trump's close friend Roger Stone has been lobbying to get them released including private conversations with Trump recently(Stone says) He has written 3 books on the Kennedy assassination and the publicity around and the release would be beneficial to him. A 4th book wouldn't be far away
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

A lot of FBI and CIA stuff is thought to include a lot of stuff related to failings and errors on their parts, as well as details of operations they would rather not be known, lest it compromise the security of people and tactics used to gather and assess information. There are thousands of redacted files that have partially released whose hidden details will be released. There are other files relating to political motivation and cources of action that could ''embarrass'' people still living. A plethora of reasons maxie.

Trump's close friend Roger Stone has been lobbying to get them released including private conversations with Trump recently(Stone says) He has written 3 books on the Kennedy assassination and the publicity around and the release would be beneficial to him. A 4th book wouldn't be far away


Probably fake news but I recall allegations Kennedy had rubber stamped the assassination of the leader of South Vietnam , a short time before he fell victim.
Has there ever been evidence that Ruby was anything but another "cuckoo" , making a name for himself.        > unbelievable he had access to Oswald.
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JFK and the Diem Coup

by John Prados

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 101

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Japan issued a statement today saying nuclear war is imminent.

Can you imagine if the world didnt have Trump????

North Korea and China would just takeover the world.

Its taken a dude, who survived and won the brutal New York property market, to refuse to lose to total evil idiots like Kim Flung Dung.
Without Trump, we are GONE.

Ive gone full circle with Trump.
Supporter, then off him, now back on him, big time.

Japan, South Korea and America, need to drop Electromagnetic pulse bombs, and wipeout North Koreans power.
This offence, must be a one hour unleashing of fire and fury, on a scale never seen before.
North Korea must be crippled within the one hour.

Millions of people are about to die.

I cant believe in the 21st century, the world somehow let this evil communist dictator Kim Flung Dung, to get to the stage they are at, imminent nuclear war.

Its a bloody disgrace.
We knew for soooooo long what they were doing.

And look at how unhealthy Kimmy is. Massive fat chin, bloating with lard and patheticness.
I would even guess, looking at him, he is an alcoholic.

Trump, New York property tycoon, unleash fire and fury, kill the fat man.

Oh, and  YET AGAIN, we have witnessed the total evil patheticness of COMMUNISM

Take note of that,,, ABC broadcasting network of Australia.

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<b style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: medium;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="6">JFK and the Diem Coup<blockquote style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: medium;">
<div align="center" style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: medium;"><p align="center"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">by John Prados

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<p align="center"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Posted - November 5, 2003




Good read PT ,   Thank you.
The world hasn't learnt from mass slaughter.    Makes us fear for the little ones , coming to what we have manufactured for them    
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Redemption:- Can you imagine if the world didn't have Trump????
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The West needs some strong leadership. GO Donald
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Redemption:- Can you imagine if the world didn't have Trump????
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YES to your Post.
The West needs some strong leadership. GO Donald



And The Donald has the USMC as his first responder. You all aren't letting PT or Whale near our Marines in Darwin, are you? The Marines love Trump and you can't have PT pissing them off during their ops in OZ.
Here is why.

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I have nothing but admiration for the US military Shammy. It is such a shame they have to answer to a moron who has no clue who they are. 
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