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Dr E 
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Can a US President be prosecuted for an alleged crime PT?
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Passing Through
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Posted: 25 Jun 2017 at 8:42pm |
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Pay attention please Doc.
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Dr E
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Posted: 25 Jun 2017 at 8:53pm |
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Does that mean no?
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Dr E
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Posted: 25 Jun 2017 at 8:54pm |
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... or you don't know?
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Posted: 25 Jun 2017 at 8:56pm |
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“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
Roughly a century ago by the sometimes racist, occasionally anti-Semitic but frequently brilliant HL Mencken. Given hesaYank, I'll leave it up to Shammy to determine whether or not I'm being "anti-American" 
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Posted: 25 Jun 2017 at 8:57pm |
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It means both... No and I don't know.
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Posted: 25 Jun 2017 at 8:58pm |
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It has been addressed several times including today.
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Posted: 25 Jun 2017 at 9:06pm |
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Mencken "frequently brilliant"? 
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Dr E
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Posted: 25 Jun 2017 at 9:42pm |
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Well ... were you right or wrong with your assertions previously, that "it's not about an impeachment, that would be a bonus ... " and similar comments?
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Posted: 25 Jun 2017 at 9:50pm |
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Impeachment isn't a criminal prosecution, it is a political process, voted on by the HOR then a trial conducted by the Senate overseen by the senior SC judge
The criminal investigation will be conducted by the New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman who is under the control of the NY Governor, and outside the reach of the administration, and he is conducting a mob style RICO(racketeering) investigation of the whole Trump organisation. They are entirely different things
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Yep. I particularly like these on religion: “The only practical effect of having a soul is that it fills man with anthropomorphic and anthropocentric vanities—in brief, with the cocky superstitions that make him disgusting.” “For men become civilized, not in proportion to their willingness to believe, but in proportion to their readiness to doubt. The more stupid the man, the larger his stock of adamantine assurances, the heavier his load of faith.”
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Holy gelati. You think those are good quotes. 
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Posted: 25 Jun 2017 at 10:41pm |
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Clutching.
Straws. PT. Regards.
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Dr E
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So does that mean that all of the times you have spoken of "criminal charges" you were not implying that there would be any actual criminal charges against President Trump himself?
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Shammy Davis
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Posted: 26 Jun 2017 at 2:04am |
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You are certainly being insensitive to our feelings.  Can't you play nice? After all, we yanks do import your mediocre beer and wines and board a few of your shuttle stallions.
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Posted: 26 Jun 2017 at 3:09am |
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PT = Passing Through PT = President Trump The stars are aligning. |
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Shammy Davis
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Posted: 26 Jun 2017 at 4:04am |
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There is diabolical method in PT's liberal slant as he floods this thread with cut and paste biased news that no one can make sense of other than he hates Trump. A sitting President cannot be indicted, arrested,or tried for any crime in any court. But that does not mean that he or she can't be charged. Anyone at any level, investigation or not, misdemeanor or felony, law enforcement official or just a plain citizen, can charge a President with a crime, but therein lies the rub. A criminal charge is only an allegation and in the case of POTUS no court, local to federal, has the authority to indict, arrest, and try him. This is not theoretical, it is fact. The oversight of the President and his conduct is solely the authority of Congress. PT is attempting to persuade this thread's readers that the NY AG or federal special prosecutors have extraordinary authority and the truth is they don't. |
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No, I haven't said him personally in this FBI investigation, but his family are the targets for now. Uday Qusay and Kremlin Barbie are how they get to Donald and force a resignation. As I have said many times Jared is the key to bringing it all undone. He has already committed crimes publicly by lying at least 3 times on his SF86 security clearance form, a crime punishable by imprisonment. He appears in closed hearings this week to explain himself Several other of Trump's team have also lied multiple times....in all cases about meetings with Russian bankers and Russian officials. T he FBI investigations will go to the who and why and why lie about these meetings and how it relates to collusion and the lifting of sanctions on Russia. Idiot Donald is shooting himself in the foot by edging closer to obstruction of justice charges to force an impeachment if numbers permit. The FBI already claim internally that they have enough. This is why mid term elections next year become vital to both him and his Republican friends in Congress. The pressure will be maintained to force congress Republicans to dump him or lose their own seats for him next year.
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No. The President’s clemency power is conferred by Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the Constitution of the United States, which provides: “The President . . . shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.” Thus, the President’s authority to grant clemency is limited to federal offenses and offenses prosecuted by the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia in the name of the United States in the D.C. Superior Court. An offense that violates a state law is not an offense against the United States. A person who wishes to seek a pardon or a commutation of sentence for a state offense should contact the authorities of the state in which the conviction occurred. Such state authorities are typically the Governor or a state board of pardons and/or paroles, if the state government has created such a board. http://www.justice.gov/pardon/frequently-asked-questions-concerning-executive-clemency#0 |
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This has been updated since and as of the middle of May he still hadn'y gone anywhere near Schneiderman's jurisdiction, avoiding his own home and office. Not taking any chances of obscure or untested laws being tested on him Shammy?
President Donald Trump. By Jonathan Lemire Associated Press NEW YORK (AP) — For decades, Donald Trump’s identity was interwoven with his hometown of New York City: big, brash and dedicated to making money. Manhattan was the imposing backdrop as Trump transformed himself from local real-estate developer to celebrity businessman — skyscrapers and gossip pages featured his name — and during last year’s presidential campaign he’d fly thousands of miles to sleep in his own bed at Trump Tower. But since his inauguration more than two months ago, Trump has not set foot within the city limits. |
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Thats laughable |
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Posted: 26 Jun 2017 at 10:17am |
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You not keeping up either Shrunky?
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Like I said before, your ignorance, considering your dominant participation on this thread, is astounding. There is a big difference between thinking you know something and actually knowing it. There is absolutely no connection to your post and the immunity of a sitting president to be free from prosecution at any judicial level or juristiction other than impeachment by Congress.I guess this is your poorest attempt to deflect attention away from your abysmal grasp of our system. Here is a clue. The Pesident is not the only elected federal official who can be impeached by the house and then stand trial before the senate. |
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"Clinton v. Jones, 520 U.S. 681 (1997), was a landmark United States Supreme Court case establishing that a sitting President of the United States has no immunity from civil law litigation against him or her, for acts done before taking office and unrelated to the office. In a unanimous decision, the Supreme Court affirmed the decision of the Court of Appeals. In the unanimous opinion by Justice John Paul Stevens, the Court ruled that separation of powers does not mandate that federal courts delay all private civil lawsuits against the President until the end of his term of office. In his concurring opinion, Breyer argued that presidential immunity would apply only if the President could show that a private civil lawsuit would somehow interfere with the President's constitutionally assigned duties." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_v._Jones To summarise- the President is not immune from civil law litigation and it does not even need to be postponed. Clinton v Jones does not say anything about sitting presidents immunity from criminal prosecution. There is no judicial precedent on that issue so if it arises the Supreme Court will have to rule on it. http://www.nationalreview.com/bench-memos/441798/andrew-napolitano-wrong-about-presidential-immunity |
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Wasn't Ulysses S Grant arrested but released because they didn't want to test that immunity thing?
Not tested does not equal cannot do Anyway just another deflection Shammy, State laws/Federal laws Shneiderman is going after the whole corporation particularly his family, and he cannot do anything about pardoning them
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This whole thing is backfiring bigtime on the Democrats.
When will people learn, Trump wins. Its what he does. Wins. At the rate this whole thing is going, all that will happen is Obama will get a slap on the wrist, for being incompetent and not doing anything about Clinton. If he truly knew, and did nothing,,,,?? Has nothing at all to do with Trump. The whole thing is an utter bore now and useless argument. They have run out of ways to get rid of Trump, so they will resort to murder. And even that will backfire, because it will just make more people support anyone with Trump. I had an interesting chat on the weekend at a bar, with an american couple. They have family and friends on the east coast, and west coast. Around 20 people they directly know. I ask them, being curious, who did they vote. They quickly replied, all 20 people, voted Trump. Not only do they believe Trump won by a mile, they believe Trump got way more votes than what was stated. This goes in tune with what I did just prior to election. I was contacting yanks on yahoo messenger, Just random people. I would say a whopping 90 percent I contacted, were voting Trump. Total randoms. I contacted dozens of people. Dinosaur media isnt just falling apart, James Murdoch, who loves Trump, is about to buy even more media outlets around the world. The global warming scam, elite illuminati pedo evil morons, is a fallen empire. Its all over red rover. PT, give up.
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Posted: 26 Jun 2017 at 1:41pm |
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But but but....Russia
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A conspiracy theory from Redemption Your survey has a lot of validity, you surveyed tens of thousands horse racing results for your 9,11,13,15 system, how many times did you go broke betting it on TBV |
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That is the thing about echo chambers...
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They can see this all the way from Moscow...hope fitting Overall, six in 10 Australians stated that Donald Trump being the US president causes them to have an "unfavorable opinion" of the United States, while 37 percent do not have a negative attitude to Trump, a poll by the Lowy Institute showed on Wednesday.MOSCOW (Sputnik) – According to the poll, the majority of those viewing Trump as a negative factor were younger adults, with 70 percent of those younger than 45, and 68 percent of women having a negative opinion of the US president. However, Trump’s approval rating in Australia is higher than that of former US President George Bush, who was viewed negatively by 69 percent of the population.
However, 65 percent of Australians believe that their country should not distance itself from the United States under Trump’s presidency. A total of 50 percent of Australians see Washington’s foreign policy as a negative factor in their opinion of the country, which is 13 percent lower than the results of 2007 during Bush’s presidency, the poll showed. As for the culture of the United States and personal experience of meeting US citizens, 72 and 84 percent, respectively, list these as positive factors in their opinion of the United States. The 2017 Lowy Institute Poll was conducted on March 1-21 as a telephone opinion survey among 1,200 Australians aged 18 and over. The margin of error is estimated as 2.8 percent. http://sputniknews.com/us/201706211054842086-australia-us-trump-poll/ |
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