Go to Villagebet.com.au for free horse racing tips - Click here now |
|
2017 Melbourne Cup |
Post Reply | Page 123 26> |
Author | |||||
Brudder_A
Champion Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Location: Uzhhorod Status: Offline Points: 4220 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Posted: 09 Sep 2019 at 5:54am |
||||
Ran in 2016/17 Melbourne Cup Wicklow Brave is set to go on this travels after maintaining his unbeaten record over
fences with a relatively hard-fought success in the Cheestrings Novice
Chase at Listowel. That's his last race this side of the Atlantic for a while as we go
to Far Hills, New Jersey, USA for the Grand National Hurdle Stakes in October (2019) next.
|
|||||
max manewer
Champion Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 32947 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
I think I'll take a permanent spell from the MC.
|
|||||
deejays destiny
Champion Joined: 11 Sep 2015 Status: Offline Points: 4148 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
From A bensley
Cup winner Rekindling, US Army Ranger and Johannes Vermeer already spelling at Mt Macedon. Thomas Hobson, Wicklow Brave, Nakeeta all go home In other Melbourne Cup news... Max Dynamite for @WillieMullinsNH is expected to join Tiberian in running @HKJC_Racing International meeting. Marmelo is returning home to UK to spell on owners property. Trainer Hughie Morrison would love to bring back to Melbourne Cup next year. Wall of Fire to stay here, gone for spell. TBC on who trains Red Cardinal to join Weir |
|||||
Jamal
Champion Joined: 25 Jul 2011 Status: Offline Points: 8659 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
I think most Bart's Cup winners had an ideal weight, although Think Big carried 58.5kg and won...but yep you are right...the "Get 'em in light" was the key |
|||||
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
|
|||||
maccamax
Champion Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Status: Offline Points: 41473 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
I remember posting long ago that Bart had the key . = Get them in light.
These wealthy Syndicates have dozens of potential Cup horses on their purchase list already. Like throwing wheat. The C.C will be a preferred stepping stone now , No penalty will be ideal . Qualify in a Maiden at Ascot and Bob's your uncle. The total career wins, of all 3 placed horses this year was 11 . Glorified Welter has the MC well named , But any changes would kill the golden goose. Soooo What will Win the M. Cup in 2018 .. ??? |
|||||
djebel
Premium Joined: 07 Mar 2007 Status: Offline Points: 53960 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
A vast amount of prize money is in races beyond 1600m. To limit horse training, ownership or breeding to 2yos and sprinters is really narrowing your opportunities. I am not sure the local industry is as enamoured with short course racing as we are led to believe. |
|||||
reductio ad absurdum
|
|||||
jacko1
Champion Joined: 26 Jun 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1801 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
To be fair if you take those rich owners and their overseas horses out of the race I don't know if you have much of a race. I love staying races but the best Australian horses are clearly sprinters. The local industry is enamored with short distance and quick returns. No one can say that Lloyd is bad for staying races in this country, without him it would be even worse.
|
|||||
Sir Gov
Champion Joined: 17 May 2016 Status: Offline Points: 2278 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Agree - it has certainly become that. 79% of runners were bred o'seas (outside AUS/NZ). It is becoming a 3200m Everest with the prizemoney
|
|||||
djebel
Premium Joined: 07 Mar 2007 Status: Offline Points: 53960 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Yes
|
|||||
reductio ad absurdum
|
|||||
max manewer
Champion Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 32947 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
None did, you mean ? |
|||||
djebel
Premium Joined: 07 Mar 2007 Status: Offline Points: 53960 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Conversely it would or is an amazing achievement to get so many in.
I can not get my head around the fact not one Classic horse from last season did not make the race. |
|||||
reductio ad absurdum
|
|||||
max manewer
Champion Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 32947 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
The qualification rules may require changing, to limit horses that are hopelessly out of form, but might have done something a couple of years ago that gives them a guaranteed run.
|
|||||
ExceedAndExcel
Champion Joined: 20 Dec 2008 Status: Offline Points: 16226 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
I'm not sure about limiting numbers for owners as I'd prefer to see the best field. However, to me id think there would be a little less satisfaction as an owner winning the race when you have half the field compared to if you only have one runner. It might be just me but getting a positive outcome simply through weight of numbers would lessen an achievement for me. |
|||||
cabosanlucas
Champion Joined: 15 Jun 2013 Status: Offline Points: 7363 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
thats true, and i can see the argument of if he wants to tip millions in to racing, he deserves success as much as anyone.
if trends continue..and it becomes a slot race for a few racing empires...they might have to look at limiting horses from one stable or syndicate. |
|||||
max manewer
Champion Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 32947 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Lloyd WIlliams is not the only tycoon to throw large sums at winning the Cup, but he has been the most successful. If he managed to take up half the field even ( about a quarter this time), and it is all within the rules, your beef is properly with the people making rules, not those working within those rules. It is just a microcosm of the larger world, in that respect. |
|||||
Jamal
Champion Joined: 25 Jul 2011 Status: Offline Points: 8659 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
The only person who could match Lloyd is no longer with us.......Bart Cummings.
It just shows how much of a force Bart was....especially when it came to the Melbourne Cup. |
|||||
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
|
|||||
Bombers41
Weanling Joined: 15 Sep 2013 Location: melbourne Status: Offline Points: 75 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
agree with this. sick of Lloyd and his arrogant snobs. its not sour grapes - I backed Big Duke and a couple of others who weren't good enough on the day. But Lloyd prancing around the course hogging the camera's and seeking attention takes away from the mystique of the race. How bloody long was his acceptance speak - and that drunken sweetheart Gudinski - what a pain in the arse... Really hope we can see a local trainer or someone else not connected with Lloyd take the Cup next year...!!!
|
|||||
cabosanlucas
Champion Joined: 15 Jun 2013 Status: Offline Points: 7363 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
irish joke. |
|||||
Dr E
Champion Joined: 05 Feb 2013 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 28563 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Just a small saver, that didn't actually save me! Bet Exotics mostly - no joy Landed on Almandin (and Hartnell), and then Gallante walked in front . Couldn't have them all, and along with Marmelo, Humidor and Wall of Fire, I also risked JV ... 1st 3rd and 4th once again! You did ok though, and so did the battling owner, so I can't complain!
|
|||||
stayer
Champion Joined: 10 Aug 2010 Status: Offline Points: 21888 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
True I guess.
|
|||||
cabosanlucas
Champion Joined: 15 Jun 2013 Status: Offline Points: 7363 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
"he started moving a touch too soon but the horse was never going to storm home. " that makes zero sense. the horse settled last of 23 runners. at what point did he go too soon? 🤔 |
|||||
max manewer
Champion Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 32947 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
|
|||||
stayer
Champion Joined: 10 Aug 2010 Status: Offline Points: 21888 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Macca it was the dreaded slow-down mid section that helped those with the cheap runs. If there'd been a euro-style genuine pacemaker it would have had a very different result, at least for those outside of the winner, who ran a bloody good race no matter how you look at it. This was a "team effort" post barrier draw I reckon.
|
|||||
stayer
Champion Joined: 10 Aug 2010 Status: Offline Points: 21888 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
The aerial view shows what a good job he did. Relaxed, avoided trouble, started moving maybe a touch too soon but the horse was never going to storm home - needed to build into it. The inside horses just saved a hell of a lot of distance/ petrol. Doubt Moreira could have done better. |
|||||
Isaac soloman
Champion Joined: 13 Oct 2015 Status: Offline Points: 6085 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
thought so too. maybe wait until straightening before going for the whip (get balanced and all that stuff) but had to wind the horse up as a bit of a plodder. between a rock and a hard place.
|
|||||
Shrunk in the Wash
Champion Joined: 25 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 9890 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Spot on . Pathetic ride by Dettori. No wonder the horse ran flat with that sack of spuds on his back |
|||||
maccamax
Champion Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Status: Offline Points: 41473 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Top link Stayer .. That aerial view is a must see.
Would be a great tool for every race run ... I might pick a winner. With the muddling pace the ones drawn wide were no hope of getting in . 2, 3 , 4, 5 , barriers were the first 4 and all travelled on the rail, most of the trip. If the 2nd horse wins, it would have been a great ride, but now , "he was impatient". The winner had God on his side when he went inside the tiring horse near the turn & that won him the Race. Almandin 3 wide and Amelie's Star 4 wide all the way. Circumstances decide such a race --- No real excuses for most of us , we knew the draw before we used our pin. Now about that loan Stayer -- |
|||||
stayer
Champion Joined: 10 Aug 2010 Status: Offline Points: 21888 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
stayer
Champion Joined: 10 Aug 2010 Status: Offline Points: 21888 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Just watched race again for first time, and have to say kudos to Ben Allen. Fair effort under pressure!
|
|||||
stayer
Champion Joined: 10 Aug 2010 Status: Offline Points: 21888 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Doc, I've never had the balls to take a sickie on Oaks day. Too obvious. No got nothing in the Oaks and glad I don't but will throw on a quaddie. |
|||||
Post Reply | Page 123 26> |
Tweet |
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |