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Magnolian Khan
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2kg penalty
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3blindmice
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Still in a couple of kilos light based on his rating.
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AdaHunta
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3blindmice
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His rating is actually 109, possibly a point or two less in NSW.
I' have zero knowledge wrt historical handicapper ratings but at 99 I'd hazard an educated guess he'd be one of the lowest rated ever Open G1 Hcp winners ever, especially given the highly rated opposition he thrashed
From the RNSW website:
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Gay3
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David said on RSN he heads to the Doncaster as he'll never get into another handicap so lightly weighted.
Also that they'd likely keep him to sprinting & a mile at best, given his proven ability at the distance when kept sharp & bearing the wind op. in mind. |
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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AdaHunta
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3blindmice ~ I think your getting a little confused mate ...... That 109 is not the horses Benchmark rating lool
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3blindmice
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I thought my reply might have cleared things up Ada but apparently not. I'd stop digging now if I were you.
Unfortunately (for you) the headings to that RNSW extract I posted were reformatted but if you click the blue "Benchmark Rating" link at the blh side you can discover the reality for yourself. |
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AdaHunta
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3blindmice
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Any luck with that link Ada? Here's the full link if it helps.
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AdaHunta
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Hopefully ~ 3blindmice reads this and it sinks in
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3blindmice
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Yes I read it today after MK posted the penalty Ada. Difference is I understand its limitations (and mine) whereas you apparently think you're a benchmark ratings guru.
The ratings you've posted are as of a particular date and don't reflect recent racing. For example Redkirk Warrior's Newmarket romp, It's Somewhat's first up win, Le Romain's defeat of Chautauqua, Hey Doc's Guineas win etc. It's rare that a horse will jump so far in one run but as I said above the handicapper was obviously impressed by the Newmarket win against top class opposition, as he should have been.
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3blindmice
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Ada's gone for a bex it seems. Not that I blame him/her. Made a couple of blunders myself today and was lucky Sneck threw me a line on the Hartnell/Dony-caster one in particular.
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Tlazolteotl
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He should be a good chance in the Donny at Randi, still with a light weight. although I can't see the required Sydney bog track form- maybe he'll get lucky there.
I am suspicious of the Newmarket form though.
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AdaHunta
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Don't think ppl realise how good a horse you have to be to start favourite in a Hong Kong Derby a race he was absolutely bolting in before being squeezed outta it at the 600m ....... Before that in the Group One Classic over 1800m he chimed in with a big run looked home went down a lip threw the race away in my book ............... Doncaster today over 1600m he should put this field away !!!!
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deejays destiny
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Had a saver on him, what a freak!
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Yeah what a freak how about the previous 2 runs.
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If your hands aren't shaking you haven't put enough on.
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Blockbuster
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On its day it is the best sprinter in Australia. Should have won a lot easier given it lost a length to get to the outside.
Unbeatable fresh, on a dry track. If conditions are the same on Newmarket day then it looks almost unbeatable. |
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Just a fantastic fresh and straight track horse, excellent price for those who took him today. Well done.
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maccamax
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Painfully I have to concede , I can't remember seeing a final 600 before , that he had to clock to win that race.
Redzel knuckled at the start, so some excuse, but they ran the final 600 in 32.35 . The winner would have gone much faster than that. Sensational run. |
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Winner 31.51 macca
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AdaHunta
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High class middle distance horse winning G1 sprints in that kinda fashion just a very serious animal
I wouldnt be surprised if Hayes targets the Cox Plate this year !! Those sectionals are off the chain .. |
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maccamax
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TU .H. That's Flying aye .. STEWARDS R> Redzel - began awkwardly making contact with the right hand side of its starting stall and became unbalanced. |
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Tlazolteotl
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Conditions won't be the same in the Newmarket. He won't be fresh and he won't be at wfa. He seems to need a 100 day break between runs to race at his peak. Might as welll go straight to Ascot. |
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Jamal
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As we speak - who is the best sprinter in the world at the moment? Is it Redzel?
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Tlazolteotl
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It's a stupid title. There is no such horse and if there is we won't know it because there is no way to judge accurately. |
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djebel
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I doubt he is a high class middle distance horse. Whilst he won his maiden and a handicap over 2000m in the UK they were not high quality races. Sprinting and FRESH seems to be his go. I doubt he gets a mile in Australia. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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deejays destiny
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Exactly. No such thing as worlds best |
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Jamal
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Are you going touse the same principal for Winx as well? She was named the best turf horse in the world.
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Prince of Penzance
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She is.
Worlds best sprinter is an overrated title |
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Speediskey
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Of course there is such a horse, at any one time there is the best of anything in the world, to judge it is harder, obviously. It's pretty clear cut that Redzel is the best sprinter in Australia right now, you just have to ask yourself if you rate anything overseas higher.
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