Northern territory prison brutalisation

Go Flash Go wrote: You seem to be new here Rattlesnake suggest you don't waste your time persevering "with the half baked"  unless you enjoy it of course

more snide..

djebel wrote: maccamax wrote: Dylan Voller is a repeat offender ,     Has spent more time in,  than out of gaol in recent years.   Officers have been charged and acquitted in the past of abusing him by rough handling . That hasn't stopped him from actually being interned in an adult gaol NOW for further crime . ( For an ice-fuelled gangland-style robbery and attempting to run over cops,)    Nice Boy aye .     Anyone volunteering to adopt him .   Please queue up. I understand where you are coming from but what were his circumstances, his role models and such ? How old was he when he first offended and what was the resultant punishment ? My guess is that they should not be imprisoned as such they need some other sort of discipline in their lives. When they serve their time in detention where do they go ? You would think their experience in prison would be enough for them not to want to reoffend yet they are in and out of the system. Something is wrong with the system from the start.

           There in lies the problem.       Dysfunctional family maybe but many things are ...... " easy to say " .      Rehabilitate ,    Counsel ,    etc.      ( waste of breath.)

maccamax wrote:            There in lies the problem.       Dysfunctional family maybe but many things are ...... " easy to say " .      Rehabilitate ,    Counsel ,    etc.      ( waste of breath.)         Unfortunately ,   these misfits are going to progress to much worse things and we will complain that we allowed them to be released early.      I note with Interest , when I talk to people I know who have worked or lived among these communities .           They have a very different opinion than the many who fall victim to the medias out of context presentation.      Just like ( Ivan Milat )   these incorrigibles , have 25 years before the Courts ,In Gaols ,   until,   ( like Ivan)  they graduate to the ultimates of Rape & Murder.         No easy answer,  short of the noose.

Gay3 wrote: macca!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what's going on here? You know PMs are private even tho' in this case it seems harmless. Anyone'd think it's a full moon tonight

Mr Prospector wrote: maccamax wrote: Dylan Voller is a repeat offender ,     Has spent more time in,  than out of gaol in recent years.   Officers have been charged and acquitted in the past of abusing him by rough handling . That hasn't stopped him from actually being interned in an adult gaol NOW for further crime . ( For an ice-fuelled gangland-style robbery and attempting to run over cops,)    Nice Boy aye .     Anyone volunteering to adopt him .   Please queue up. I have a relative that worked in a Darwin High school for many years . Some of the students were totally out of control and very difficult to manage . They had zero respect for any authority and had no problem letting you know .  I sure wouldn't know how to deal with them . Its a really difficult issue and probably a generational one , whereby a lot of these kids are lifetime criminals and lost forever but hopefully the next generation is better .

whats wrong with my suggestion ?

LOL,,,now come back gogos,,,and tell me and whale to get a life ,,again.

Whale wrote: The height of stupidity is to judge someone's life when not knowing the 1st thing about them.  You could not be more wrong about AA, she has lived o'seas in various countries for years and travelled extensively, now enjoying a quieter life in the country. You really have no idea And as far as I can see she is simply responding to your attacks, certainly not stalking you, the reverse is true.

More lies. She started stalking me 2 days ago.

I could careless about her and her cat.

She is obsessed with me.

Sadly Whale you're also a stalker. 22000 posts. Awesome champ.

More abuse
More stalking
Creepy

acacia alba wrote: every thread on here is turning into a focus on gogos. lets all just ignore gogos.   dont respond.   dont even let him think he exists.

         Naughty   AA.

Dr E wrote: Rattlesnake wrote: subastral wrote: Video of Voller being stripped naked and abused by authorities when he was 11, and continued abuse at 13 and 14 and so on, and people still want to blame the kid...... Detention centers have procedures in place when an inmate threatens self harm. One of those procedures in this case was to remove the inmate's clothing to reduce risk of self harm. If corrections staff didn't follow procedure and the inmate managed to kill himself, you'd be the first person on here complaining about the injustice of it all because procedure wasn't followed. There may also be culpability issues for correctional staff if they knew the inmate threatened self harm, did not remove their clothing as procedure directed, and the clothing was used by the inmate to harm themselves. If the inmate refuses to comply with directions to remove their clothing, force obviously needs to be used. You can't wish clothing off somebody. A hashtag wouldn't help either. When harsh reality of a violent/confrontational situation clashes with the opinions formed by people after watching a few moments of CCTV and having no understanding of the circumstances. This is a very interesting observation, and deserves comment. The fact that this individual is NOT just another black death in custody or suicide statistic, but is in fact now, as a 19 yo adult, able to apparently articulate his remorse, is being completely overlooked ...

Unfortunately it doesn't seem as though some people are able to respond to points being made, they just skip over what's uncomfortable for them to address.

What subastral is asking for correctional staff to do in the case of stripping the inmate of their clothing and give them detention center issued clothing, is ignore procedure and burden themselves with personal risk.

If a staff member knew of a self harm threat, did not follow procedure, and the inmate ended up injuring or killing themselves with their own clothing, possible criminal and civil cases could be brought.

The fact the the inmate was 11 is irrelevant. The procedure was in place at a juvenile detention center, which means the procedure was meant to be applied to young people.

The ABC lead with the footage and photographs of the hooding and wrist restraints as it's cleary the most provocative, and yet that situation is probably the easiest to explain out of all the 'abuse.'

No one who first saw the images or footage as abuse is yet to give any reply to those who have explained in what situations hoods and wrist restraints are used. Again, it's just skipped over because it's been explained in a rational manner that doesn't fit the initial emotional response.

3blindmice wrote: Seriously? He's simply trying to excuse/rationalise away what is clear brutality - by both an individual and a system. How that brutality comes to exist and is permitted by authorities is the real question. Invariably the answer is  - money and priorities. The measure of a society is its honesty and compassion - easy to say, a lot more difficult to uphold, especially when you're at the coalface.  Played footy with a young bloke years ago. Wild young guy who liked a beer and was as hard as nails on the field. I'd never have guessed but turns out he had a heart of gold. Saw some scratches and scars on his hands and arms one day at training and enquired about them. Turns out he was employed as a wardsman in a mental illness institution where getting attacked was an occasional job hazard. He shrugged it off because as he said, 'it's not their fault'. Understanding and at least some compassion goes a long way.

  Considering the large numbers of  incorrigible people in our criminal / Psychiatric areas and the need to safeguard  the Public & themselves.

Whale wrote: gogos wrote: Whale wrote: The height of stupidity is to judge someone's life when not knowing the 1st thing about them.  You could not be more wrong about AA, she has lived o'seas in various countries for years and travelled extensively, now enjoying a quieter life in the country. You really have no idea And as far as I can see she is simply responding to your attacks, certainly not stalking you, the reverse is true. More lies. She started stalking me 2 days ago. I could careless about her and her cat. She is obsessed with me. Sadly Whale you're also a stalker. 22000 posts. Awesome champ. so funny 103 posts yesterday till 12 midnight, omline from 8.30 am to 1.37 sm the next day  wow Plus no doubt countless thousands of posts on another racing or sports forum, impressive

Yet more stalking. No opinion on topics.

 3 Blind Mice.       Truly , you have no idea of the environment and the difficulties involved in the every day management of incorrigible people.