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Isaac soloman
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Moral of this story, ask a question on tbv, expect a lousy response.
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oneonesit
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Refer ALP Election Promises
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oneonesit
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All bloody PT's fault
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Passing Through
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Hey, I answered his questions.
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Tlazolteotl
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So is Victoria the only state where the defendant can't ask for a judge only trial?
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An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought.
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Passing Through
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No.
Pretty sure the decision by Pell's crack legal team to go with a jury and to not take the stand was well discussed around March in this thread.
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Tlazolteotl
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Says here, written December 2018, that there are no judge only trials in Victoria. Has it changed?
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/andrews-government-considers-judge-only-trials-for-criminal-cases-20181213-p50m5u.html |
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An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought.
Simon Cameron |
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Passing Through
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I stand corrected.
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Passing Through
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Maybe he should have done his fiddling in NSW.
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Dr E
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or maybe it never really happened at all ...
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Passing Through
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Being a jury trial held in secrecy the jury only has access to evidence related to the accuser. Had it been a judge only trial, would that also be the case or would the judge have had access to all the accusations against Pell? And I dont mean the accusations related to cover ups and cheating victims. The judge was aware of that and went to great lengths to instruct the jury they could not consider any of that, not any pre conceived ideas they had.
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Tontonan
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Friday 30th August at 9:20 pm (65 minutes) SBS Viceland Sex Slaves Of The Catholic Church Series 1 Ep 1: This investigation reveals that thousands of nuns were sexually abused for decades by priests across all continents. From 1994 until 2015, the Vatican was alerted by internal confidential reports about churchmen that regularly rape nuns in more than 23 countries. These reports have been hushed up and the rapists continue to harm freely. With the complicity of the ecclesiastical courts, their victims have been reduced to silence, sometimes pushed to abort, often excluded from their community. For the first time, the victim nuns, their superior mothers, priests, and rapists break the silence to testify to these systemic sexual abuses. |
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Dr E
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When is SBS doing the series on Islam ... oh, that's right ... nothing to see.
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Tontonan
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Documentary on Catholic Priests Using Nuns as "Sex Slaves" Pulled After Court Challenge
11:03 AM PDT 4/30/2019 by Scott Roxborough German-French channel Arte says it will fight to overturn a court injunction that prevents it from rebroadcasting the documentary, which accuses rogue priests of sexually abusing French nuns. A French television documentary that accuses Catholic priests of sexually abusing nuns has been pulled from the French-German television channel Arte after a priest filed a complaint with a German court. French director Marie-Pierre Raimbault and investigative journalist Eric Quintin shot the documentary, Sex Slaves in the Catholic Church, over three years, basing it on first hand testimony of nuns who claim they were used as “sex slaves” by priests. The women say when they presented their allegations to church authorities at the Vatican, they were ignored and often moved elsewhere in a cover-up that stretched across four continents. Arte first aired the film in March. Some 1.5 million French viewers caught the original broadcast, with a further 1.7 million watching on replay, making it the most-watched documentary of the year for the channel. The film has sold worldwide. Pope Francis has publicly acknowledged the problem, noting that the Vatican had to dissolve a French order because its sisters had been reduced to “sexual slavery” at the hands of its founder and other priests. In November, the organization representing all the world’s female Catholic religious orders, the International Union of Superiors General, denounced the “culture of silence and secrecy” that prevented nuns from speaking out and urged sisters to report abuse to their superiors and police. The Vatican's women's magazine, Women Church World, has reported that some nuns had been forced to abort the priests’ unwanted children. Arte was forced to pull Sex Slaves in the Catholic Church from its online site earlier this month after a court in Hamburg, Germany, slapped a temporary injunction on the film following a complaint filed by a priest. The court said the priest said, while he was not shown in the documentary, he was "recognizable" from an interview given by a nun. In the interview, the complaint reads, the nuns “gave the impression that the priest had forced a nun into sex against her will.” The priest was not identified in publication of the complaint. “For both formal and factual reasons, Arte considers this decision to be wrong and we have therefore decided to appeal,” a channel spokeswoman said in a statement. For the time being, Arte is keeping the documentary off its replay site. Violations of the injunction carry a possible fine of up to $280,000 and jail time of up to two years. Another film criticizing abuse by the Catholic Church — Francois Ozon's Berlin Silver Bear winner By the Grace of God — had to battle two separate legal challenges that sought to block its release. The film, largely inspired by the real-life case of Father Bernard Preynat, a French priest indicted two years ago for sexual assault and accused of molesting more than 80 boys, faced legal injunctions filed by both Preynat and former church volunteer Regine Maire, who sought to block its release in France. But the French courts threw out both cases and the film bowed in France on Feb. 20. |
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Dr E
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I blame Macron ... was probably in the small print of the Paris Agreement.
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Tontonan
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MP scathing of Catholic Archbishop during parliamentary debate on confessional seal
By James Oaten Posted yesterday at 4:38pm PHOTO: Victorian MP Paul Edbrooke (right) read out a letter his father Nick (left) received. (ABC News: Supplied) A Victorian Government MP has revealed his father was sexually abused as a child as the Parliament holds an emotional debate on legislation that would compel religious leaders to report knowledge of child abuse. "It certainly takes a man detached from all logic and reality to go on radio and sell our community this rubbish," Mr Edbrooke told Parliament. "But it certainly takes an even stupider one to expect people to believe it. "What an insult to our community and our survivors." Mr Edbrooke started his speech saying his father, Nick Edbrooke, had "his innocence torn away" at the age of 15 after arriving in Melbourne in the late 1960s. He then read from a letter that his father, now aged 64, received from the church a month ago, which revealed further details of the abuse. He did not reveal who wrote the letter. An extract of the letter said: "Dear Nick, I thank you for allowing me this important opportunity to express extreme regret for what happened to you. I've read your detailed account of the night you were … raped. You spoke of how you stayed face down in the bed of your room too afraid to move, and then how you ran out of that place as soon as you could, leaving your possessions there." The letter revealed Mr Edbrooke's father walked around the city in a "daze" and attempted suicide. He was admitted to hospital but later transferred to a psychiatric hospital. The letter continued: "Every child deserves to be safe, to be loved and cared for. I'm so sorry this was not your experience. We humbly ask for your forgiveness." Church 'closing ranks with the boys' Mr Edbrooke said his father supported the letter being read out in Parliament if it helped pass legislation that would force all religious leaders to report information about child abuse, even if obtained during confession. On the day the legislation was introduced to Parliament, Archbishop Comensoli told the ABC that he would rather go to jail than break the confessional seal. The Archbishop also said he believed Pell was the victim of mistaken identity, after the Cardinal's six-year jail sentence for sexually abusing two choirboys was upheld by the Victorian Court of Appeal. Mr Edbrooke told the Parliament the church's defence of Pell was "astonishing". "By falling in line, closing ranks with the boys, Comensoli has utterly failed the leadership test," Mr Edbrooke said. "If Jesus was here now, he'd be the first, the very first to report child abuse without exception and without exemption." Archbishop Comensoli's representatives declined to comment. Earlier in the day, Attorney-General Jill Hennessy became upset as she told Parliament how victims kept their abuse secret for many years. "They weren't believed and institutions covered it up and people took their lives," she said, holding back tears. "They could not bear to live with the consequences of being a victim of child sexual abuse when no-one believed them. "If we don't start taking our obligations seriously around the protection of children then we don't deserve to sit in this Parliament." Victoria's Opposition has given the legislation bipartisan support after leader Michael O'Brien initially said he needed to ensure the bill did not "infringe on other religious freedoms".
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Tontonan
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A review of Sex Slaves Of The Catholic Church Series 1 Ep 1:
In many ways the story was familiar : Pervert priests abusing their power to rape nuns rather than children. The main difference was that these were adult women, not children, and they were as much the victim of the foolish things they chose to believe as they were of the pervert priests. They were like children in that they were paralyzed and silenced by the authority of the priest but children are expected to do as they are told and believe as they are told. Nuns subject themselves to the authority of the church and it's priests, and although you might think they are 'crippled by faith' they ought to know better. They ought to know that their priest should not be raping them, they ought to know that is not a Christian thing to do, and they ought respond accordingly. They claim that they believed that the priests were the personal agents of Christ in the world and were therefore they were powerless to speak or act against them but who told them that nonsense ? The priests of course. Next week the second part of the documentary investigates the ultimate hypocrisy : The numerous abortions nuns have endured to protect the pervert priests. Same time, same channel. |
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acacia alba
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Catholic orphanges were always full to busting. Now where did those kids come from ? Where I grew up , the big catholic place had a church , a school, a priests residence and a nunnery ? And a path between the priests place and the nunnery , with big hedges hiding it.
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animals before people.
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Tontonan
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In Ireland it was more a question of where all the children went. What had the nuns done with them ?
" In 1975, Mary was a young married mother living in one of the new subsidized houses built on the old mother and baby home property. One morning, close to Halloween, a neighbor told her that a boy was running about with a skull on a stick. The boy, Martin, said he had found his prize in the overgrown muck, and there were loads more. What the boy mistook for a plastic toy was actually the skull of a child, with a nearly complete set of teeth. “That’s not plastic, Martin,” Mary recalled saying. “You have to put it back where you found it.” Mary and a couple of neighbors followed the boy through the weeds and rubble, across the soft wet ground. Suddenly, the earth beneath her feet began to give, and down she fell into some cave or tunnel, with just enough light to illuminate the subterranean scene. As far as she could see were little bundles stacked one on top of another, like packets in a grocery, each about the size of a large soda bottle and wrapped tight in graying cloth." In 2016 forty years after this discovery and largely due to the relentless work of amateur historian Catherine Corless the Irish Government formed The Mother and Baby Homes Commission of Investigation which announced in 2017, that hundreds of remains were recovered, all aged between 35 fetal weeks to between two and three years old, in the septic tanks of the Bon Secours Mother and Baby Home in the western County Galway. Corless found that 724 children had died at the home but only 3 marked graves were found. She said child mortality rate at the shelters was at 30-50 percent during the 1930s and 1940s due to the harsh living conditions and the nuns' negligence. The home was closed in 1961. Another three centers also formerly operated by the Bon Secours sisters contain the "angels' plots," where another 3,200 children are believed to be buried. |
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Passing Through
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Bad news for the clergy but it is being said that the govt has been sitting on this proposed legislation for nearly 2 years. Was that to allow the Pell case to clear the courts? What would George be facing under the new guidelines?
Is this another power play by Spud on Scomotose? |
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hatch
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What about people who tell lies and innocent people are sent to Jail . They have to spend time in jail and their reputation is ruined . What is the penalty for these people ? Surely it must be severe ?
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Dr E
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Hey PT ... what's with the sudden deflection, your imaginary PeDut v ScoMo lie ... I guess it isn't too soon to run out of hope for "Elbow" completely ...
Really, there are few so versatile as you in full retreat PT - desperate, pathetic and funny - all at the same time!
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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ExceedAndExcel
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Hard to tell if this is a serious question but given your general cluelessness I’ll assume you just don’t know. Yes it is severe. They go to prison. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-17/canberra-woman-jailed-for-false-rape-claim/10723908 |
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THAT IS GOOD NEWS . |
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Hmmm, we all know who you’re talking about. But since 12 jurors and a judge believed him, then two appellant judges believed him, logic suggests that not only is your mate a kiddy fiddler, he’s lied. Maybe they should charge him with that as well |
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YOU ARE WRONG RUSTY, TIME WILL TELL |
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Passing Through
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One more day before they have to apply to the High Court.
Still trying to find a loophole or waiting for divine intervention?
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George Pell seeks leave to appeal child sex abuse convictions in High CourtCardinal George Pell has taken his legal fight to overturn his child sex abuse convictions to the High Court of Australia. Key points:
An application seeking leave to appeal has been lodged, following the Victorian Court of Appeal's dismissal of Pell's appeal in August. The 78 year-old former advisor to the Pope is currently serving a maximum six-year prison sentence for the sexual abuse of two former choirboys at St Patrick's Cathedral, while he was the archbishop of Melbourne. Pell has to serve three years and eight months in jail before being eligible for parole. If leave to appeal is granted it will be his final opportunity to challenge the convictions, but there is no guarantee the High Court will agree to hear the appeal. Pell's legal team had 28 days to lodge leave to appeal in the High Court after the appeal judges dismissed his case on August 21. The Cardinal's legal team had been thoroughly examining the court's judgment after a 2-1 split decision was handed down by the three judges. [continues] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-17/george-pell-to-appeal-to-the-high-court/11437796 |
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Well he's sought leave to appeal to the High Court. No surprise there.
See below. ps George went to school, seminary and/or shared parishes with all these offenders, but knew absolutely nothing. A Catholic priest left a
14-year-old boy in a seminary common room with several other boys before
another priest came and "selected" him for abuse, says an explosive
new statement of claim. By Farrah Tomazin, Chris Vedelago and Debbie
Cuthbertson SEPTEMBER 17, 2019 Some of the Catholic church’s worst paedophile priests shared
victims, passed on details of vulnerable children considered easy targets and
worked together to conceal their crimes as part of informal networks of sexual
abuse hidden in Australian seminaries, schools and parishes. An
investigation by The Age has identified for the
first time that many priests involved in historical sexual abuse of children
did not simply act as individuals but formed clusters, or paedophile rings,
throughout Victoria, from the western district to the Gippsland region and in
suburban Melbourne. Established in 1923, Corpus
Christi has produced generations of priests, including former Archbishop of
Melbourne Denis Hart, Brisbane Archbishop Mark Coleridge and George Pell,
who was the rector of the seminary in the mid-1980s. It has also trained a
litany of offenders, from Thomas O’Keefe to Kevin O’Donnell, Robert Claffey and
Ridsdale. A snapshot of 34 Corpus Christi graduates who were accused or convicted of committing acts of child abuse, and for whom reliable records exist, found that 17 priests had offended within three years of being ordained. Four began offending even before they were ordained, prompting serious questions about the way young men were selected and trained for priesthood at Corpus Christi. |
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