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Apparently there's more to be said, in the meantime... The media/ police are pulling out old claims that "stony faced" george is a pedo himself. Would make a good movie. |
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max manewer
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The problem with these old claims is the complainants should have gone to the police years earlier. People complaining to church heirarchy were pretty silly. It was a police matter.
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stayer
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Yeah plus it's bullgelati.
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Cardinal George Pell denies sexual abuse allegationsLiam Mannix Cardinal George Pell has vehemently denied allegations that he sexually abused minors while a priest in Ballarat and as Archbishop of Melbourne. The Herald Sun's report on Friday evening claims Cardinal Pell is being investigated by Victoria Police's Sano taskforce for committing multiple offences, by "both grooming and opportunity". The report claims police have spoken to "numerous" alleged victims as part of their year-long investigation. Victoria Police declined to comment on the report. In a statement released by the Catholic Archdiocese of Sydney, Cardinal Pell attacked the report and what he claimed was a leak from within Victoria Police which had been timed "to do maximum damage to the Cardinal and the Catholic Church", and which undermined the work of the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse. "The allegations are without foundation and utterly false," the Cardinal's statement said. The Cardinal called for a public inquiry into the leak. Cardinal Pell is due to testify to the royal commission on February 29. He will give evidence via video link from Rome, where he now manages the Vatican's finances, after the royal commission accepted that he was too ill to return to Australia. "It is outrageous that these allegations have been brought to the Cardinal's attention through a media leak. These undetailed allegations have not been raised with the Cardinal by the police", the statement said. "He strongly denies any wrongdoing. If the police wish to question him he will co-operate, as he has with each and every public inquiry." "For elements of the police to publicly attack a witness in the same case study that has exposed serious police inaction and wrongdoing is outrageous and should be seen for what it is," the statement said. "The Cardinal calls on the Premier and the Police Minister to immediately investigate the leaking of these baseless allegations." A Victorian government spokeswoman said: "If, as reported, there is an investigation currently before Victoria Police it would be inappropriate to comment." Cardinal Pell's statement mentions the Southwell Inquiry, an independent investigation by the Church into allegations the Cardinal sexually abused an altar boy in 1962. The inquiry, headed by a retired judge of the Supreme Court of Victoria, Alec Southwell, QC, cleared the Cardinal of any wrongdoing. Do you know more? Email scoop@theage.com.au The Cardinal's full statement: LEAKED ALLEGATIONS SPURIOUS AND FALSE – CARDINAL GEORGE PELL Cardinal Pell is due to give evidence to the Royal Commission in just over one week. The timing of these leaks is clearly designed to do maximum damage to the Cardinal and the Catholic Church and undermines the work of the Royal Commission. The allegations are without foundation and utterly false. It is outrageous that these allegations have been brought to the Cardinal's attention through a media leak. These undetailed allegations have not been raised with the Cardinal by the police and the false claims investigated by Justice Southwell have been ignored by the police for over 15 years, despite the very transparent way they were dealt with by the Cardinal and the Catholic Church. The Cardinal has called for a public inquiry into the leaking of these spurious claims by elements in the Victorian Police in a manner clearly designed to embarrass the Cardinal, in a case study where the historical failures of the Victorian Police have been the subject of substantial evidence. These types of unfair attacks diminish the work of those good officers of the police who are diligently working to bring justice to victims. The Phillip Island allegations have been on the public record for nearly 15 years. The Southwell Report which exonerated Cardinal Pell has been in the public domain since 2002. The Victorian police have taken no steps in all of that time to pursue the false allegations made, however the Cardinal certainly has no objection to them reviewing the materials that led Justice Southwell to exonerate him. The Cardinal is certain that the police will quickly reach the conclusion that the allegations are false. The Victorian Police have never sought to interview him in relation to any allegations of child sexual abuse and apart from the false allegations investigated by Justice Southwell, the Cardinal knows of no claims or incidents which relate to him. He strongly denies any wrongdoing. If the police wish to question him he will co-operate, as he has with each and every public inquiry. In the meantime, the Cardinal understands that several media outlets have received confidential information leaked by someone within the Victorian Police. For elements of the police to publicly attack a witness in the same case study that has exposed serious police inaction and wrongdoing is outrageous and should be seen for what it is. Given the serious nature of this conduct, the Cardinal has called for a public inquiry to be conducted in relation to the actions of those elements of the Victorian Police who are undermining the Royal Commission's work. The Cardinal calls on the Premier and the Police Minister to immediately investigate the leaking of these baseless allegations. More to come This story was found at: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/cardinal-george-pell-denies-sexual-abuse-allegations-20160219-gmz080.html |
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When you have absolute unwavering faith does one go to the men of the cloth or the police? I would suggest that on the basis of the church's activity to cover it up before the depth of the systematic betrayal was exposed victims would of chosen the former. Your last two sentences were spot and the only piece of your rambling diatribe from previous posts that actually made any sense |
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Again, is this about pell himself or an attack on the catholic church/christianity? Sorry for being repetitive.
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You sense there is an element of wanting to destroy the church, which might be understandable from the victims, but the camp followers with an atheist agenda seem a little over-eager to participate. Maybe they are moonlighting from their other hobby-horses, like, say, hounding ice dealers.
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How the hell would you know??
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max manewer
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I meant, "hounding ice dealers out of the business"
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Its coming from the Herald Sun, the conservative press. Hardly an atheist agenda. Nice connection too, atheists and ice dealers. Really quite pathetic.
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Well mate, if you are gonna crusade against evil, why cherry pick the targets ? Or are ice dealers less harmful as Catholic priests ? I occasionally visit a website where rabid atheists have set up camp 24/7, ever ready to pounce on anything that smacks of non-adherence to their creed. All under the guise of saving the world from the evils of religion. I'm not fooled by their professed motives, and there seeming unconcern about all the other evils of the world is a dead give-away.
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you have tried in vain several times to take this thread in different direction...why..? |
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Panspermia.
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It has a lot to do with this thread, the way it has turned out. |
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I don't have to know. It's already been dealt with and discredited. It's been pulled out again as a cheap shot to fuel the fire. |
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Outrage aside, is Pell being investigated by Vic police or not?
He is complaining that there has been a leak of details of an investigation. Govt rep says that if there is an investigation it would be inappropriate to comment. He didn't say that there wasn't one. Is this the ''real'' reason Pell doesn't want to face the inquiry here? He is worried he might be detained for questioning following his evidence? We might end up with another Julian Assange type Ecuador asylum situation in the Vatican. They do have form for refusing extradition of high profile alleged criminals in the Vatican pulling the old diplomatic immunity card.
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There's an element in vic police that have made it their mission to get him any way they can. They have never stopped trying to get evidence. That's why pell is saying the police should be investigated themselves.
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Bit hypocritical of him isn't it, calling for a public inquiry over this leaking, something he always denied victims of abuse, insisting it had to be dealt with 'in house'?
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Really? The police are trying to find evidence to prove a theory, and not proceeding until they have some? Whatever will we do? I think Pell is right to call for an investigation into the police. How dare they look for evidence before proceeding with indictments.
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No, nail this grub, protecting pedophiles should accompany a stint in the big house , shouldn't been allowed to leave the country, you only need to see how kiddy fiddling affects the victim , it can be a sentence in a lot of cases.
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Life sentence that is .
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Why am I not surprised that Archbishop Hart is calling for an investigation into who allegedly leaked mention of the Police investigation into Pell.
ie it's really important that we find and crucify the messenger.
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It would be nice if the truth came out, so to speak.
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No surprise here. ''Innocent'' man in hiding.
Cardinal Pell may never return to Australia |
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oh big surprise...
what a joke fair dinkum.. |
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Panspermia.
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Panspermia.
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People are well aware of your anti-religion obsession, so the motive for fastening on to Pell is no puzzle. He is entitled to the presumption of innocence, until proven otherwise.
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If Pell has nothing to hide as he says, and he can't travel, why doesn't he invite Victorian police to visit him and answer all their questions at the Vatican. Would certainly clear the air.
It has happened before with FBI interviewing dodgy bishops there over the dodgy banking practices the Vatican Church was involved in during the collapse of several Italian banks in the 80's, including laundering forged bonds worth $1 billion
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For one thing, he has answered all questions to the police, and the leak was about them continuing to investigate, undoubtedly in the hope of coming up with evidence thry can't build a case on yet. Until they have further questions, it's a moot point. For another thing, it's unfair to speak of pell as if he's christopher skase or julian assange! At least suspend judgement until you have a good reason to prematurely judge. What the police leak has done is, as pell said, undermine his character and credibility with seemingly "malicious timing", and possibly "pose a risk to the administration of justice." Have patience - you might get to jeer him on the gallows a bit further down the road. |
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