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How long until an appeal will be heard?
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

What will the grounds of appeal be?

Some are saying jury bias. Possibly the most expensive legal team that could be assembled that has left no stone un-turned spending reported millions so far couldn't select or approve a jury acceptable to them? Did they object at jury selection?


Did they have a choice for no jury ?
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

more accurate number of alleged accusers should come out with the release of the suppressed RC findings Whale.

There were far more than 2  accusers(1 alleged, as he is now dead) there was also the several from the cancelled swimming pool trial and according to some reporters, many more.

Whale is right.
Pell had access to thousands of children, yearly, over decades.
Even if only 10 came forward, the math stacks in Pells favour.
Dont get me wrong, even its just ONE, its against the LAW.

The church is a farce. Its a brand.

I just hope they expose the scumbag Pope too.
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Andrew Bolt: One of the victims who has since died, originally denied being abused

Bolts top 10 list on why Pell is overwhelmingly innocent

1. He couldn't have got back to the sacristy when they said he did

2. He was never alone to molest them

3. There were too many witnesses for it to have happened

4. Someone would have seen the boys abruptly leave after mass or arrive late to choir practice right after

5. Organists would have seen them sneaking off as they had a good view of the route to sacristy

6. Pell's robes were too complex for him to rape the boys while wearing them

7. Victims said he caught them drinking sacramental red wine but only white was available

8. Only a madman would molest the boys in that setting

9. The second incident couldn't have happened when claimed because church was under renovations

10. The victims stayed silent for many years and told no one 

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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

What will the grounds of appeal be?

Some are saying jury bias. Possibly the most expensive legal team that could be assembled that has left no stone un-turned spending reported millions so far couldn't select or approve a jury acceptable to them? Did they object at jury selection?


Did they have a choice for no jury ?

2.19Jury trials are compulsory where the prosecution of a federal offence proceeds by way of indictment. This is because section 80 of the Commonwealth Constitution guarantees trial by jury in such circumstances



This includes serious offences against the person (murder, manslaughter, death by dangerous driving, wounding, rape, sexual assault), against property (computercrimes, stealing, burglary, robbery and the like) and against society (bribery of public officials, treason, etc.).

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PrisonerPell has withdrawn his bail application.

Will be remanded today.
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If I ever end up in court facing a serious charge and I'm guilty I want a jury trial. If I'm innocent I want a trial by judge.
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

If I ever end up in court facing a serious charge and I'm guilty I want a jury trial. If I'm innocent I want a trial by judge.

Yep,absolutely spot on,but it’s a bit of a worry that you’ve considered this scenario with so much thought
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Pell was also convicted in relation to the second boy, although that alleged victim had previously denied ever being molested, did not make a complaint and was not interviewed by police or examined in court (he died in 2014).


https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/beyond-reasonable-doubt-was-pell-convicted-without-fear-and-favour-20190227-p510j0.html


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Lot of dead people dont show up to the trial of people accused of killing them too....strange
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Pell was also convicted in relation to the second boy, although that alleged victim had previously denied ever being molested, did not make a complaint and was not interviewed by police or examined in court (he died in 2014).


https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/beyond-reasonable-doubt-was-pell-convicted-without-fear-and-favour-20190227-p510j0.html


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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Lot of dead people dont show up to the trial of people accused of killing them too....strange


Do they deny being dead when asked?
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They have lawyers and witnesses who represent them, like this dead man did.
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George Pell's lawyer says child abuse was 'plain vanilla' sex as cardinal heads to jail

Cardinal Pell is remanded in custody following his conviction for child sexual assault, which judge calls ‘callous, brazen offending’

Cardinal George Pell’s bail application has been withdrawn and he has been remanded in custody following a sentencing hearing in which his lawyer, Robert Richter, described one of Pell’s offences as a “plain vanilla sexual penetration case where the child is not actively participating”.

Pell was taken away by corrections officers after his bail was formally revoked. He will be sentenced on 13 March after his conviction for sexually assaulting two 13-year-old boys.

The former prime minister John Howard was among those who provided character references for Pell as the cardinal’s legal team tried to argue for a lower-end sentence in Melbourne’s county court on Wednesday morning.

That claim was rejected by the chief judge, Peter Kidd, who said he saw Pell’s behaviour as “callous, brazen offending” and “shocking conduct”.

“He did have in his mind some sense of impunity. How else did he think he would get away with this? There was an element of force here ... this is not anywhere near the lower end of offending.”

Richter’s renowned defence style was on full display, as he tried to argue with Kidd that there were “no aggravating circumstances” to one of Pell’s offences.

It was “no more than a plain vanilla sexual penetration case where the child is not actively participating”, Richter said.

Kidd responded: “It must be clear to you by now I’m struggling with that submission. Looking at your points here – so what?”

Richter also tried to suggest that an incident in which Pell grabbed one of the boys by the genitals in an attack that lasted seconds was “fleeting” and not worthy of a jail sentence. Kidd disagreed.

“That wasn’t just a trifling sexual assault,” he said.

“Nothing is to be gained here by comparing different forms of sexual abuse of children. Of course I need to make a judgement of the overall gravity of this. But there is a limit to these kinds of comparisons.”

Abuse survivors and advocates present in the court gasped as Richter made his arguments for a lower-end sentence. He said at one point that if Pell’s victims were “truly distressed” after being abused, they would have returned to their homes exhibiting that distress.

Richter said he was in a difficult position because he could only propose a sentence based on the jury’s finding of guilt, not on the basis that Pell maintained his innocence. He said Pell did not have a pattern of offending and had not planned the attack, and so would have been “seized by some irresistible impulse”.

Kidd responded: “You put to the jury only a madman would commit these offences. The jury rejected that. There are no medical records suggesting he is mad. The only inference I can make is that he thought he could get away with it. People don’t go ahead and do what he did without thinking about it. People make choices.”

Prosecutors described Pell as having “a degree of callous indifference” as he “humiliated, degraded” and sexually abused the boys. This offending, prosecutors said, should attract a significant sentence.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/feb/27/cardinal-pell-will-go-straight-to-jail-as-bail-application-is-withdrawn?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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Held on remand.
Off to MAP in Spencer St

Will be held until March 13 when he will be sentenced
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The budgie bloke's very short of friends just atm, ScoMo Duddon, Abetz, Andrews and Cormann aside.  Can't afford to lose too many more amigos.  Ouch

'Devastating': Tony Abbott called his 'friend' George Pell following Tuesday's guilty verdict
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The Little Desiccated Coconut gave Pell a character reference today. Wonder if he will write to him in prison?


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Don't know if Pell was guilty of the charge, but he wasn't getting off, and he was certainly guilty of protecting other predators - justice is served.
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Fingers crossed Pell gets spit roasted in jail many times over
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Now lets focus on the other disgusting crimes.
Schools in England are teaching children under the age of 7, sexual topics, relating to transgenders, sexy toys, and who knows what else.
Totally invading their innocent minds with complete and utter perverted "education".
Sounds like the way the church is run. People in power, abusing their power, then defending their abuse.

The gross sexualisation of children must stop, and schools are getting away with it.


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This guy quite some years ago had been living with now convicted paedophiles and simply said he had no idea of his housemates activities. The Catholic Church in general as been outed as basically a den of iniquity, albeit thru people’s strong predilection for religious fervour, a very powerful force. Basically operating above and beyond the law.
Why else would all those men choose to spend a life cloistered away behind closed doors, predominantly only having residential and social contact with other men? Is it too much of a test of faith to imagine they are there because it is a successful way to live together in a comfortable and approving environment? Maybe not as essential anymore, but this all started light years ago.
Homosexuals at least are consenting adults, and that I don’t have any problems with, but paedophiles are the scourge of humanity. The agony, terror and permanent suffering they have put untold amounts of innocent unfortunate kids through over the ages is unforgivable and heartbreaking. No punishment is good enough and there is no cure.
Or then again, what was the name of that island? Molokai, D’Arcy, Spinalonga?
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Originally posted by Sister Dot Sister Dot wrote:

This guy quite some years ago had been living with now convicted paedophiles and simply said he had no idea of his housemates activities. The Catholic Church in general as been outed as basically a den of iniquity, albeit thru people’s strong predilection for religious fervour, a very powerful force. Basically operating above and beyond the law.
Why else would all those men choose to spend a life cloistered away behind closed doors, predominantly only having residential and social contact with other men? Is it too much of a test of faith to imagine they are there because it is a successful way to live together in a comfortable and approving environment? Maybe not as essential anymore, but this all started light years ago.
Homosexuals at least are consenting adults, and that I don’t have any problems with, but paedophiles are the scourge of humanity. The agony, terror and permanent suffering they have put untold amounts of innocent unfortunate kids through over the ages is unforgivable and heartbreaking. No punishment is good enough and there is no cure.
Or then again, what was the name of that island? Molokai, D’Arcy, Spinalonga?

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I THINK THE JURY HAD TO BELEIVE THE BOY WHO SAID HE WAS ABUSED .   NOW WHY DONT THEY LOOK AT HIS RECORD OF TELLING THE TRUTH , AND THE RECORD OF GEORGE PELL .
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Howard: “I Only Give Character References To Respectable Paedophiles”

By The Shovel on February 27, 2019
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Former Prime Minister John Howard has clarified his decision to give a character reference to George Pell, saying he only provides testimonials for the most respected, upstanding child rapists in our community.

Responding to criticism of his decision, Mr Howard explained that he was very choosy with the sex offenders he endorsed, saying he wouldn’t write a glowing reference like this for any old paedophile.

“The thing you need to remember about the convicted child abuser Cardinal Pell is that he is both highly intelligent and wonderful company”.

He conceded that Pell had been found guilty of raping a child, but noted that he was a magnificent conversationalist.

“This is a man of exemplary character. Apart from sexually abusing young children I can’t think of anything bad to say about him”.   

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“I know you ran the boys choir man. You know what I’m saying. All of the boys on the choir respected you, you know what I’m saying, they collected you, my man.”



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Sounds like a false memory fantasy of an assault by the pedo bogyman to me. Was the alleged victim in therapy at some stage before the complaint was made?
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Who is the accuser ,do we know anything about him .
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Who is the accuser ,do we know anything about him .




Yes. He once had George Pell’s penis forcibly inserted into his mouth.
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