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Second Chance
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Why, as Paul Kelly alleges, is the Justice System on trial here?
Nothing in his typically overblown and self-centric piece adequately supports his notion any more so than would any other criminal trial.
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max manewer
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I'd say delays of many decades do put the system under the spotlight, especially if there is no new evidence to be presented. But that would be the police/prosecution to answer.
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cabosanlucas
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Im not sure. but 'sub judice' certainly had an effect in here on a few posters. the back flip and diplomacy was lol. |
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Dr E
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I personally couldn't care less if the "witch hunt" succeeds or fails ... the issue is well and truly exposed and is now being dealt with, and the lawyers are the winners again.
... but surely the notion of a "fair trial" swings both ways ... the same issues face the prosecution in getting a "fair" outcome ... just sayin'
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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stayer
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I have no idea who Paul Kelly is (unless the song writer has done a 180 degree turn) but I'm guessing he goes in the RWNJ category of journalists? I gave up on aussie "journalism" years ago. I think it's pretty clear what he and Pell and many (most?) ordinary people without a chip on their shoulder (even the victims of abuse, actually) have been saying for a while now. Geez even Judge H said it, unless I read it wrong. Ironically, Tim Minchin and his kind may end up causing a guilty man to go free! |
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stayer
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Yep. |
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oneonesit
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Whale
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As we know the sex drive is incredibly powerful, those not into kids can be so thankful they are not wired that way. No excuses, I despise them, but urges are almost impossible to resist, what a tortured life they lead.
What I hate as much is people in position of power bullying, take advantage abusing their trust |
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stayer
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Interesting turns this thread is taking.
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cabosanlucas
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seems to coincide with the public call of sub judice in effect. |
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stayer
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Zzz |
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It's ok, cabo, frankie will sort it out... um
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JudgeHolden
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Wow, Kelly's lost it. What a load of shrill nonsense. He used to be good, looks like he's now thrown his lot in with the culture warriors at the Oz. Pretty obvious how they're going to play this, but will be interesting to see how New Ltd run it in their tabloids, given the lynch mob mentality of most of their readers.
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stayer
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To Her Door is his best Bob Dylan rip off I reckon.
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Go Flash Go
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Bolt's met the guy have you Whale that can make a big differance. Have a sister that worked with Pell for years first thing she said about him when he appeared on the News re this is "he's been framed" As have advised Sub .... save yself the grief Or if you enjoy it excuse me join the que of the clueless
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stayer
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Seriously mate, who in tne great wide f-ck, cares about your little club of "thinkers"? Little Aussie parrots. |
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JudgeHolden
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What club would that be stayer?
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stayer
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Really? |
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Whale
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most amusing, you think and patting yourself on the back for your "cleverness" of course you completely miss my point, it is irrelevant to the article he wrote if he has met him or not. He is saying Pell will not get a fair trial because Bolt is always with the establishment 100% of the time. I on the other hand think Pell will get a fair trial, don't need to have met him to make that judgement. I know if I was on the jury I would reach a verdict only on the evidence,not my gut instinct But hey keep at it sniper |
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JudgeHolden
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Yep. even by your incredibly low standards that was a thoroughly bizarre post, particularly as it was response to a post of mine which was critical of the media- the same media you yourself were dismissive of a few posts back. Looks for all the world like another of your pathetic little snipes, after which I'm sure you'll scurry back for cover.
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max manewer
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I'm not sure who gets a fair trial these days, there is bound to be at least one or two nutjobs on the jury, which I guess works against a conviction more than for one. Lots of people walking the streets because an obstinate juror would not convict out of motives un-related to
the relevant evidence. |
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stayer
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You wrote some detailed crap about a random aussie journo who obviously means something to some of you blokes. (Putting "incredibly low" and "thoroughly bizarre" doesn't help anyone. Unless you're Trump.) |
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JudgeHolden
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Detailed? Put down the bottle stayer. I made a comment in regards to an article reproduced in this forum. Hadn't read the guy in probably a decade. Thought it was a poor piece and said so. You're all over the place.
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stayer
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You seemed to know of him (a bit too much), as did the other guy who derided him. Have no idea who he is, myself. Is he the Sydney Bolt or something? |
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Whale
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for an "educated " man you are an ignoramus. Is one of the most respected and long serving political journalists in Australia. Was respected maybe
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stayer
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OK. Honestly had no idea, and still think that Careless is the best song he ever wrote. |
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Whale
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hahaha that is mildly amusing
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JudgeHolden
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A bit too much? You're dribbling, stayer. He's a journalist who writes for a paper I used to read, but a paper that started pushing agendas rather that reporting the news a long time ago. FWIW, there are papers that have drifted the other way that I no longer bother with either. Thought his piece was overwrought rubbish, but given what passes for "opinion" in the mainstream media these days I'm not surprised.
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stayer
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I'd google him but I'm pretty sure I'd get the actual Paul Kelly - the songwriter.
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stayer
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No need to get worked up, Judge. Aussie journos have never learned how to spell, let alone write. |
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