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Fiddlesticks
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Is there anything worse than seeing weak men run away from their crimes, and pretend to be sick, we see it time and time again, as soon as they are caught or see their past coming back to smash them, they suddenly feign illness and make sure they are in elsewhere, what a lowlife weak scumbag is this loser Pell...they even rigged the last interview so the questions were all broken up with a poor signal, this poor excuse for a human will stop at nothing to avoid what's coming to him..
why when we all know he is acting and pulling the wool over do we let it happen, why do we allow those who commit crimes to feign illness and get away with such horrors, I always knew this slimebag was no good, Hitchens and co have torn him a new Christmas pudding several times.. Time to get back Pell back here, economy class like the rest of us, and put the dog on trail... ............................................................................................................................................. Cardinal George Pell’s desire to withhold details of a medical condition that may prevent him giving evidence in person about child abuse within the church “fades into insignificance” next to those victims who have detailed their suffering, a royal commission has heard. Lawyers representing George Pell, who is currently a senior official within the Vatican, this morning tendered a medical report to the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse supporting his application to give evidence by videolink from Rome. The cardiologist’s report, the entire contents of which have not been made public, states that his “clinical problems ... make it difficult for you to undertake a flight to Australia which would entail a serious risk to your health.” “One could come by ship, I suppose,” said commission chairman Peter McClellan, although this is unlikely as he is expected to give evidence next month at a public hearing into widespread abuse in the Victorian parish of Ballarat. “The cardinal’s view is that it is very important that he give his evidence as soon as it may be ... and he certainly wants to avoid the appearance that he’s unwilling to give evidence,” his barrister Alan Myers QC told the commission. The cardinal has, however, asked that details of his medical condition not be made public, he said. Cardinal Pell had been due to give evidence in December during royal commission hearings into abuse in both Ballarat and the archdiocese of Melbourne, where he worked as a priest and later as archbishop. He has previously given evidence to the commission in person and via videolink. Paul O’Dwyer SC, representing two other witnesses involved in the Melbourne hearing, argued against suppressing the contents of the medical report. “When you contrast what witness after witness has had to spell out about the most intimate details of their life ... this fades into insignificance,” he said. “These are very common garden problems for a man of the Cardinal’s age. “We say the report should be made public, not only as a matter of justice for the victims but also on the question of ordinary fairness,” Mr O’Dwyer said. Counsel assisting the commission Gail Furness SC said she would need a minimum of two days to question Cardinal Pell. The inquiry heard that in consideration of the 10 hour time difference between Rome and Sydney, a suggestion would be that the hearing would start early in the morning in Rome and in the afternoon in Sydney. Former Bishop of Ballarat Ronald Mulkearns is willing and wishes to give evidence to the commission, the hearing also heard. The commission has previously heard evidence Bishop Mulkearns repeatedly moved pedophile priest Gerald Ridsdale from parish to parish when complaints of abuse were made. David Grace QC, acting for the bishop, said his client had colon cancer, was in chronic pain and had a life expectancy of months. He said Bishop Mulkearns wished to give evidence but medical advice recommended he not attend court and suggested a video link be set up from his nursing home or another location. He said Bishop Mulkearns was concerned that his memory for detail was poor and he may inadvertently and unintentionally mislead the commission. The commission heard medical advice recommended Bishop Mulkearns only answer questions for one and a half hours before resting for a number of days. Mr Grace said his client would have difficulty responding to questions if not given sufficient time and material to prepare beforehand. Chief Commissioner Justice Peter McClellan is expected to make a ruling on both appearances on Monday. Edited title out of respect to members since his passing. Edited by Gay3 - 11 Jan 2023 at 1:08pm |
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Fiddlesticks
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yeah I've seen it it's good...
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Panspermia.
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jujuno
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I'd buy it..
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max manewer
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Another hysterical anti-religious rant from fiddles. What a hate-filled little man.
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Second Chance
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It's no secret Fiddlesticks and I don't get on, however I've never once thought of him as being odious.
But which is a word that immediately comes to mind when I think of Pell.
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Fair suck of the sav max, you can't say that. I know plenty of little people who aren't haters.
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You do get the distinct impression with this fellow he is all about climbing the ladder within the Catholic hierarchy....& he is not prepared to let this "overrated" stuff get in his way. Truth be known it is probably happening all around him in the Vatican anyway.....suggest most of those old fuddy duddies would have been exposed to same during their years of service !
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jujuno
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he is only echoing what most decent people are thinking... get off your pulpit, Max... |
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I'd like to see that song played over and over to Pell himself, loudly, with BOSE headphones, so he gets the full impact...
sick, my aunt Elsie... bloody coward... |
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max manewer
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I don't see the necessity of him appearing in person, in this day of technology. To listen to fiddles, he must be a paedophile about to be arrested.
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Max I would think every priest..... from the very top to bottom all around the world.....would be walking under that black cloud ! Especially the old ones !
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He will be punished when he carks it.
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reductio ad absurdum
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Passing Through
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This fund is now over $120,000. Whether these people would be able to face him or not is another question though. Process hasn't been explained yet Child abuse
survivors raise $90,000 to see George Pell give evidence in Rome Crowdfunding
target of $55,000 to fly group and counsellors to Italy far exceeded in one day
– with push from Tim Minchin’s song Child sexual abuse survivors and their
supporters have raised more than $90,000 to send a small group of their
representatives to Rome to witness Cardinal George Pell,
Australia’s most senior Catholic, give evidence before a child sexual abuse
royal commission. After lawyers for Pell tendered medical
documents to the royal commission into institutional responses into child
sexual abuse this month, the commission chair, Justice McClellan, agreed to
allow Pell to give evidence via video link from Rome rather than in person. Child sex abuse
survivors seek crowdfunding to fly to Rome for George Pell's evidence Read more It prompted the radio personality Meshel
Laurie and the television presenter Gorgi Coghlan to launch a gofundme campaign to send survivors and a support network of psychologists and
counsellors to Rome, where Pell is the Vatican’s financial head. The target of $55,000 was far exceeded in just
one day, with the campaign also supported by Loud Fence, a group for survivors
of child sexual abuse in Ballarat religious institutions who are putting
together a group of people ready to fly. One anonymous person donated $10,000 to the
cause, while other supporters have donated whatever they could afford, even if
only a few dollars. “After caring for victims of child abuse over
the years I have seen the immense damage it has had on their lives,” one
donator, Noelene Plummer, wrote. “I hope they can find some healing.” Another, Marianne Cochrane, wrote, “For those
who didn’t survive. For those who can’t speak. For those with the strength to
represent.” Some said they were inspired to donate after
hearing the comedian Tim Minchin perform a song on Network Ten’s The Project on
Tuesday night in which he criticised Pell for not coming to Australia to give
evidence and called him a “coward” and a “pompous buffoon”. The commission is still searching for a venue
for Pell to give evidence in. When Pell last appeared before the commission via
video link in August 2014 to face questions about
the Melbourne Response, a scheme he introduced to the Catholic archdiocese of
Melbourne in 1996 to investigate sex abuse claims, his evidencewas
plagued by technical problems. For this reason, alternative venues are being
sought out. Tim Minchin
song labelling Cardinal Pell a 'coward' raises money for church abuse victims Read more The commission told Guardian Australia it was
still trying to find an appropriate location. But the commission cannot compel
Pell to attend the venue it decides on. Pell would still have to agree to it
and to attend. Pell told the commission in May he would be
willing to give evidence. But his health issues, including hypertension, have
preventing him from flying to Australia to fulfil this commitment, according to
the medical documents tendered to the commission. Last year the commission heard evidence from a
child sex abuse survivor who alleged that Pell had attempted to bribe him to keep quiet about the molestation he suffered. Pell has
denied the allegations. When he appears via video link on 29 February,
Pell will face questions about this as well as his alleged role in moving
paedophile priests between parishes during his time working as an assistant
priest in Ballarat East between 1973 and 1983, a period during which several
Catholic priests sexually assaulted young boys in the area. Pell has said he
was unaware at the time that the priests he transferred to other parishes were
paedophiles. He will also be further questioned about the
Melbourne Response. The department of foreign affairs and trade
confirmed to Guardian Australia it was involved with the search for a venue. “At the request of the royal commission to the
department, the Australian embassy in Rome is assisting the royal commission to
identify a suitable venue for the taking of evidence by video-conference,” the
department said in a statement. The embassy itself would not be a possible
venue, Guardian Australia understands, because it does not have the necessary
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Steve Price has come out damning the song .. Look up small man disease in the dictionary and there should be a picture of him . Likes the sound of his own voice and chest beating
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The only problem with backing winners ? You never have enough on....
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jujuno
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how utterly surprising... Steve Price is a total joke...the Melbourne version of Hadley/Jones...laughable... |
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It's great that we have a serious investigation going on into institutional responses to child abuse, but the duration of the saga has caused me several times to consider just how long this sort of stuff has been going on. The only reason we can run this sort of investigation is because Australia is more than 50% aetheist/non-religious, but it wasn't always the way, and there are few countries more secular than us.
Priests hardly rate a mention nowadays. They have almost no sway whatsoever in almost any sphere of activity. But that wasn't always the case. I can't fathom how many hundreds of thousands of women, children and other likewise voiceless victims will have been raped, coerced or otherwise fiddled with by a clergy who up until relatively recently were above suspicion of just about everything. It's quite possibly in the millions. Millions of humans molested by clergy over the course of the last thousand years. It's a petrifying thought. I think the Cardinal's high-profile and questionable absence just bangs another timely nail into the archaic coffin of religion, and we will all be better off when it meanders into the realm of myth and fantasy for the balance of the population. Globally. |
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Absolute rubbish, clergy would represent a tiny percentage of child sex abuse perpetrators.
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Had a friend, a mate actually, who for 30 years organised and ran outward bound type stuff for people in their teens. Lived a life of chastity, given he was a Brother at Daramalan College in Canberra.
Renounced his vows more than 20 years ago now, simply because he couldn't bear the systemic abuse by brothers within his Church and the legal-based refusal to admit the chronic buggery that existed.
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I interpret from the prevalence of church child molesters a widespread lack of genuine belief in the existence of Divine retribution by many clergy. So criminals and hypocrites as well. I have met quite a few priests/ministers who I doubt really believe. You might have more sympathy for offenders who could not control their unruly impulses, but were still believers.
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you're flogging a dead horse, Max... your pulpit is crumbling... |
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So are you suggesting society should differentiate between Priestly offenders who (a) were true believers who couldn't control their unruly impulses, and (b) those who weren't true believers who similarly couldn't control their unruly impulses?
In no more than 25 words...
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I can't think of a technical reason why this comment and mine can't be simultaneously correct, so calling my observations absolute rubbish seems a bit harsh. Are you suggesting that (if it were the case) because clergy haven't sexually molested as many children as the broader population in nominal terms that the community should view their betrayal through a more sympathetic lens? In addition;
That can stand for the first incidence of sexual abuse, but surely those clergy who allegedly 'believe' would, after digesting their initial sexual encounter with a minor and completing their ritual of repentence, then be considered duly warned by their rulebook not to $^&* small children on general principle?
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I think there is a strong clue to the phenomenon of clerical abuse in that most of it seems to be directed at boys. There is a well known psychological progression in sexual awakening that moves from the same (self), to the similar (others of the same sex), to finally, the opposite, complementary sex. In this context, fixation on boys is a matter of arrested development. Many pre-pubescent boys in catholic schools back in the day vowed to become priests, which was really a way of being popular with teachers/priests, but matured out of it in most cases. Those that remain lodged in it, didn't shake off the childish impulse of pleasing the heirarchy, took up the priesthood, and carried into it their other immature impulses. |
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What in the actual f.........
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Were you an altar boy, or an altered boy, sub ? (sorry to sound like maccamax) |
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