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Speediskey 
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It's worth noting that Music Magnate won the same race (The Luskin Star) the start before he won the Doomben 10k.
Clearly Innocent won it a lot more impressively as well. Certainly no shoe in but definitely a good chance.
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Lordy
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You can't really look at a single race and drawing parallels to the previous year's winner when assessing form going into a G1. You have to look at the individual horse and their form right though in the lead up. Music Magnate was a Group winner at Randwick in his lead up and was pretty good coming through the grades in metro class. Clearly Innocent is a noted Scone specialist and hasn't really measured up in his previous cracks at the Group races in Sydney. Ironically his only metro win was the Country Championship where he took on a lot of other country gallopers. It really doesn't read like a favourite for a G1 WFA race.
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Second Chance
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Posted: 23 May 2017 at 9:46pm |
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Didn't think Rawiller did a whole lot wrong in the Goodwood, more a case of sometimes things don't always go your way in a competitive event like that.
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Yeah, I didn't think the ride was that bad. BHB seemed to take his spot without much issue. Maybe he's not really a 1200m horse any more.
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crooked_gambler
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Posted: 23 May 2017 at 10:34pm |
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I think Weiry's issue was more so that Brad settled too close.
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Delta Deel
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I didn't think anything about the ride/run hampered the horses chances. Never looked the winner.
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I don't think you are a noted course specialist, no matter what some media types say, when you've had only 14 starts nearly half of them quite good away from your home track. Also had 1 or 2 problems.
Perhaps having beating Media Magnate and finishing 1.4 lengths behind English 1st up at too short a distance is good enough here. BHB- ran average in an average race, agree likely needing further unless some issue.
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Into $3.5 now!
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crooked_gambler
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Very disappointing
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Forgive all horses on that track today.
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That's the smell of victory, you can't wash that out.
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3blindmice
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Agree. Total forgive. Risk is that some horses will lose confidence after racing on that mess.
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No chance in the Straddie on a track like that.
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Could you not tell he was totally unhappy in the cow paddock... one of the worst tracks ever....
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Even if the track was bad, he was still average to poor in the straight.
Might want 1600 now
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Of course I could, I'm not a complete dingbat. Still was a disappointing below par performance imho |
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So on one hand you say you could see he did not handle the track on the other hand you say he was disappointing... you sure you are not a dingbat...
 ...if he didn't handle the track how could he run up to his best???? |
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you should join the dingbat club too... can't have it both ways...you can not possibly judge hi if he did not handle the track..its common sense really...if it had been a track he handled and was disappointing then its a different story..clearly he was struggling through the ground.
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Delta Deel
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Horse was well unders, looking for at least 1400m or even 1600m now. Might have reached the top of his bell curve in his career as well.
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What I want ti know is whay is he still racing?
I thought his run in Adelaide was alright and he came to a track which looked shifty, so I am just wondering why you would risk him in these races when he is a certain spring group 1 contender in races at 1400m and 1600m and even maybe a hong kong mile! Really can not see the point! |
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I didn't gain any confidence at all in his RSN i'view this morning, it was very much "the boys tell me he'll handle the conditions" etc.
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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3blindmice
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After 1 mediocre run on a track I wouldn't ask Tony Abbott to ride his bike on - unless it had just a seat peg? You're kidding surely.
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Add to that "I wouldn't back him up normally but he galloped well during the week". Siunded to me like they were just hoping for a repeat of the Stradbroke run and underestimated how shyte the track would actually be.
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Sounded to me as if it wasn't his decision to run, as he stated the week prior when saying he'd go out 'till the Spring depending on connections & that he'd not go North due to a dislike of wet tracks.
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Just a really poor training effort. Threw a dart and missed the board. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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Don't think he's the same horse since that Cox Plate.
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 If this is fact than I take the above back. Only just though. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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3blindmice
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Agree jacko, he's older. Won two G1s and second in a G2 since so age must agree with him.
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Yes. He's still competitive in these races. Just not at the level he was.
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Up until a week ago his last 2 starts were both Group 1 WFA wins in Melbourne. First time he'd won back to back Group 1's, first time he won back to back races since joining Weir. Now on the basis of 2 runs in a week, one on a track that resembled quicksand, he's not at the level he once was. Think that's jumping the gun a bit. Very premature to say he's not the horse he was IMO. |
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What and forgive his very average effort in a very weak G1 1st up as well. That run today rated on par with his Goodwood run. |
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