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Every so often you see a new member of the family make their debut. I might keep a track of them in this thread. Big smile
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BELIEVING (AUS)Bay gelding 2012 
Bel Esprit
Bay 1999
Royal Academy
Bay 1987
Nijinsky
Bay 1967
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Flaming Page
Bay 1959
Bull Page
Flaring Top
1947
1947
4-m
8-f
Crimson Saint
Chestnut 1969
Crimson Satan
Chestnut 1959
Spy Song
Papila
1943
1943
2-o
26>
Bolero Rose
Chestnut 1958
Bolero
First Rose
1946
1946
6-a
8-c
Bespoken
Brown 1990
Vain
Chestnut 1966
Wilkes
Chestnut 1952
Court Martial
Sans Tares
1942
1939
1-p
13-c
Elated
Bay 1957
Orgoglio
Rarcamba
1949
1946
23-a
A10
Vin d'Amour
Bay 1981
Adios
Bay 1970
Silly Season
Angello
1962
1962
1-g
6-f
Gliteren
Chestnut 1969
Final Orders
Sunny Gold
1963
1957
2-c
34>
Hypatia
Chestnut 2004
Distant Music
Bay 1997
Distant View
Chestnut 1991
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Seven Springs
Chestnut 1982
Irish River
La Trinite
1976
1976
1-w
16-a
Musicanti
Bay 1991
Nijinsky
Bay 1967
Northern Dancer
Flaming Page
1961
1959
2-d
8-f
Populi
Bay or brown 1975
Star Envoy
Sister Shannon
1968
1965
8-f
4-f
Danavia
Bay 2000
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Scandinavia
Chestnut 1994
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Easy Date
1970
1977
7-f
20-a
Song of Norway
Grey 1982
Vain
Love Song
1966
1976
A10
1-p
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer4m x 5m,5m Nijinsky3m x 4f Vain3f x 5f
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One start one win.



 SCANDIMANIA (AUS)Bay filly 2012 
Magnus
Bay 2002
Flying Spur
Bay 1992
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Rolls
Chestnut 1984
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Grand Luxe
Chestnut 1974
Sir Ivor
Fanfreluche
1965
1967
8-g
4-g
Scandinavia
Chestnut 1994
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Chestnut 1970
Silly Season
Great Occasion
1962
1965
1-g
7-f
Easy Date
Bay 1977
Grand Chaudiere
Scampering
1968
1970
19-b
20-a
Song of Norway
Grey 1982
Vain
Chestnut 1966
Wilkes
Elated
1952
1957
13-c
A10
Love Song
Grey 1976
Warpath
Folk Song
1969
1968
21-a
1-p
Belleluia
Bay or brown 2006
Bel Esprit
Bay 1999
Royal Academy
Bay 1987
Nijinsky
Bay 1967
Northern Dancer
Flaming Page
1961
1959
2-d
8-f
Crimson Saint
Chestnut 1969
Crimson Satan
Bolero Rose
1959
1958
26>
8-c
Bespoken
Brown 1990
Vain
Chestnut 1966
Wilkes
Elated
1952
1957
13-c
A10
Vin d'Amour
Bay 1981
Adios
Gliteren
1970
1969
6-f
34>
Song of the Sun
Grey 2000
Desert Sun
Bay 1988
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Foreign Courier
1977
1979
7-a
A4
Solar
Chestnut 1973
Hotfoot
L'Anguissola
1966
1967
1-w
10-b
Song of Norway
Grey 1982
Vain
Chestnut 1966
Wilkes
Elated
1952
1957
13-c
A10
Love Song
Grey 1976
Warpath
Folk Song
1969
1968
21-a
1-p
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m x 5m Danzig4m x 5m Vain4f x 4f,4f 
  Song of Norway3f x 3f
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Believe Scandimania is part owned by Whitters who was a member here from Day 1 but hasn't been active for quite some years now.
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SCARLET MAGNOLIA (AUS)
Chestnut filly 2012 
Magnus
Bay 2002
Flying Spur
Bay 1992
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Rolls
Chestnut 1984
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Grand Luxe
Chestnut 1974
Sir Ivor
Fanfreluche
1965
1967
8-g
4-g
Scandinavia
Chestnut 1994
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Chestnut 1970
Silly Season
Great Occasion
1962
1965
1-g
7-f
Easy Date
Bay 1977
Grand Chaudiere
Scampering
1968
1970
19-b
20-a
Song of Norway
Grey 1982
Vain
Chestnut 1966
Wilkes
Elated
1952
1957
13-c
A10
Love Song
Grey 1976
Warpath
Folk Song
1969
1968
21-a
1-p
Scarletta
Chestnut 2006
Distant Music
Bay 1997
Distant View
Chestnut 1991
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Seven Springs
Chestnut 1982
Irish River
La Trinite
1976
1976
1-w
16-a
Musicanti
Bay 1991
Nijinsky
Bay 1967
Northern Dancer
Flaming Page
1961
1959
2-d
8-f
Populi
Bay or brown 1975
Star Envoy
Sister Shannon
1968
1965
8-f
4-f
Danavia
Bay 2000
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Scandinavia
Chestnut 1994
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Easy Date
1970
1977
7-f
20-a
Song of Norway
Grey 1982
Vain
Love Song
1966
1976
A10
1-p
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m x 5m,5m Danehill3m x 3f Mr Prospector4f x 4m 
  Scandinavia2m x 3f
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Anybody know what has happened to Arctic Flight ?

She has not raced since September 2013 is a 7yo mare but is not listed as being served.


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Lionhearted - Lindsay Park
Lily's Reward - Peter Moody
Miss Scandilous - Simon Zahra



MISS SCANDILOUS (AUS)Bay or brown filly 2012 
Magnus
Bay 2002
Flying Spur
Bay 1992
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Rolls
Chestnut 1984
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Grand Luxe
Chestnut 1974
Sir Ivor
Fanfreluche
1965
1967
8-g
4-g
Scandinavia
Chestnut 1994
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Chestnut 1970
Silly Season
Great Occasion
1962
1965
1-g
7-f
Easy Date
Bay 1977
Grand Chaudiere
Scampering
1968
1970
19-b
20-a
Song of Norway
Grey 1982
Vain
Chestnut 1966
Wilkes
Elated
1952
1957
13-c
A10
Love Song
Grey 1976
Warpath
Folk Song
1969
1968
21-a
1-p
Midnight Blues
Brown 2004
Distant Music
Bay 1997
Distant View
Chestnut 1991
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Seven Springs
Chestnut 1982
Irish River
La Trinite
1976
1976
1-w
16-a
Musicanti
Bay 1991
Nijinsky
Bay 1967
Northern Dancer
Flaming Page
1961
1959
2-d
8-f
Populi
Bay or brown 1975
Star Envoy
Sister Shannon
1968
1965
8-f
4-f
Midnight Sun
Grey 1995
Western Symphony
Bay 1981
Nijinsky
Bay 1967
Northern Dancer
Flaming Page
1961
1959
2-d
8-f
Millicent
Bay 1969
Cornish Prince
Milan Mill
1962
1962
1-s
22-d
Song of Norway
Grey 1982
Vain
Chestnut 1966
Wilkes
Elated
1952
1957
13-c
A10
Love Song
Grey 1976
Warpath
Folk Song
1969
1968
21-a
1-p
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m x 5m,5m Mr Prospector4f x 4m Song of Norway3f x 3f 
  Nijinskyx 4f,4m
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Its surprising how many have been bred back to the family.


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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Anybody know what has happened to Arctic Flight ?

She has not raced since September 2013 is a 7yo mare but is not listed as being served.


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Scarlet Magnolia listed as retired.
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Originally posted by Dizzy Dizzy wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Anybody know what has happened to Arctic Flight ?

She has not raced since September 2013 is a 7yo mare but is not listed as being served.


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Thanks. That is not the news I or she wanted to read.


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Believing was I think ridden by a 4 kilo claiming apprentice.

He will win plenty of races when he carries a senior jockey on board.


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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Believing was I think ridden by a 4 kilo claiming apprentice.

He will win plenty of races when he carries a senior jockey on board.



Can't get any more senior than Max Allen who rode him today. He's in his 40s and has been riding for 20+ years. Think you have your wires crossed.

Was a good run by the horse today. Blackbooker for sure.
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Originally posted by SkyDancer SkyDancer wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Believing was I think ridden by a 4 kilo claiming apprentice.

He will win plenty of races when he carries a senior jockey on board.




Can't get any more senior than Max Allen who rode him today. He's in his 40s and has been riding for 20+ years. Think you have your wires crossed.

Was a good run by the horse today. Blackbooker for sure.


Seems you are correct. He rides like a 4 kilo claimer.

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An unraced youngster will can miss the start irrespective of all the barrier work it's been given and the best efforts of any rider.
 
ps Matty (or Max) has somehow managed to ride 626 winners at a strike rate of 13.8% for prizemoney of almost $10m.
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BELUGA CAVIAR (AUS)Bay colt 2011 
Redoute's Choice
Bay 1996
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Pas de Nom
Bay or brown 1968
Admiral's Voyage
Petitioner
1959
1952
4-n
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Bay 1968
Ribot
Flower Bowl
1952
1952
4-l
4-d
Spring Adieu
Bay 1974
Buckpasser
Natalma
1963
1957
1-s
2-d
Shantha's Choice
Bay 1992
Canny Lad
Brown 1987
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Jesmond Lass
Chestnut 1975
Lunchtime
Beautiful Dreamer
1970
1967
7-f
14>
Dancing Show
Bay 1983
Nijinsky
Bay 1967
Northern Dancer
Flaming Page
1961
1959
2-d
8-f
Show Lady
Bay 1976
Sir Ivor
Best in Show
1965
1965
8-g
8-f
Scandinavia
Chestnut 1994
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Chestnut 1970
Silly Season
Bay 1962
Tom Fool
Double Deal
1949
1946
3-j
1-g
Great Occasion
Chestnut 1965
Hornbeam
Golden Wedding
1953
1959
1-p
7-f
Easy Date
Bay 1977
Grand Chaudiere
Bay 1968
Northern Dancer
Lachine
1961
1960
2-d
19-b
Scampering
Bay 1970
Misty Day
Scamper Away
1958
1966
5-f
20-a
Song of Norway
Grey 1982
Vain
Chestnut 1966
Wilkes
Chestnut 1952
Court Martial
Sans Tares
1942
1939
1-p
13-c
Elated
Bay 1957
Orgoglio
Rarcamba
1949
1946
23-a
A10
Love Song
Grey 1976
Warpath
Grey 1969
Sovereign Path
Ardneasken
1956
1964
4-l
21-a
Folk Song
Bay 1968
Tudor Melody
Lynsted
1956
1960
1-n
1-p
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer4m,5m x 5m Natalma5m,5f x Lunchtime5f x 3m
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I wonder if Green Desert is better for this family than Danehill?... Just thinking Foreign Courier brings a bit more to the table than Razyana.

Similarly, do Flying Spur & Casino Prince work because of what Rolls (as Raise A Native & Sir Ivor add to Ciboulette) and Lady Capel (with Kenmare & Last Tycoon) add to the mix, not necessarily because they're descendants of the great Danehill.

Basically, the strategic, or pot-luck reinforcement or topping up of the Barb & Turk sirelines, either directly or through female descendant (within the first five generations).
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LIONHEARTED

2yo Bay Colt
D.O.B: 17-Sep-2013
by FASTNET ROCK  from SCANDINAVIA
 
Trialled today Sandown. T4, ran 2nd of 6 - have yet to watch.
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This mare,  Diva Von Tessa was purchased on my recommendation as suitable mare for Jimmy Choux.

The result of the planned mating is Lot 837 New Zealand Bloodstock Select Session.


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Certainly finds out if Vain does react with the family.  As an aside Jimmy Choux is one you can still find a Todman double in.  Through Centaine (2nd dam a daughter of Rain Shadow by Todman) and 3rd dam Imposing Choice a daughter of Todman's Epsom winning won Imposing.

I'd be looking for a filly from the Palatious family.  Would also make an interesting cross for Jimmy Choux.
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Thanks for the insight and correction Furious     (ocassionally I move a mare forward in the pedigree to help client understand and in excitement forget to put it back.)

This mare another purchased as special for Jimmy. This is how we inbred to Todman or to Jimmy's female side, and then Centaine's female side.  Believe they both have bias this way  



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Jimmy Choux   / Asian Wind       Lot 1199 New Zealand Bloodstock Festival Sale 

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Love that one although the female line is not up to the Scandinavia family.  Enough Biscay in the sire but if you take Cosmic Endeavour as the check maybe you need a bit of Mr Prospector and Sadler's Wells/Fairy King as well.  But really think the Stratum mares will excel at stud.  And I've noticed he has an affinity with Century blood and you get that in Centaine.  To be truthful would prefer this one to the first but I haven't seen a photo of the first so that could sway me.

You don't have to change positions Swynford just highlight that this sire or mare appears just off the page.  Sometimes it is what we can't see that makes a pedigree ie the Bletchingly/Danzig cross.  They decend from the same mare Lady Susan in the 7th generation.  But when put together these two stallions clicked.

As with Star Kingdom - it was his 7th dam Canterbury Pilgrim who was the first successful broodmare on his female line.  She produced two wonderful sire sons in Chaucer and Swynford but it took awhile for the next to emerge didn't it.  If the female line has a great one in it never give up.  They will come back if given a chance.
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It is interesting that century does seem to trigger certain lines in a powerful way , I have been researching his influence in our breeding patterns and I must say he loves Bletchingly blood.
Ps love both of your posts guys .
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Typhon has a runner today in the 1st at Morphetville.
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Originally posted by .Swynford. .Swynford. wrote:

This mare,  Diva Von Tessa was purchased on my recommendation as suitable mare for Jimmy Choux.

The result of the planned mating is Lot 837 New Zealand Bloodstock Select Session.






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easy winner at Pakenhan today 

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Wait till it wins a stakes race to get excited Djebel
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Originally posted by Dizzy Dizzy wrote:

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2yo Bay Colt
D.O.B: 17-Sep-2013
by FASTNET ROCK  from SCANDINAVIA
 
Trialled today Sandown. T4, ran 2nd of 6 - have yet to watch.
Set to run in the boys BD Prelude.
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We missed this 8/1 winner at Moe on Saturday. Cry

PRINCESS FREYA (AUS)Bay filly 2013 
Wanted
Bay 2006
Fastnet Rock
Bay 2001
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Piccadilly Circus
Bay 1995
Royal Academy
Bay 1987
Nijinsky
Crimson Saint
1967
1969
8-f
8-c
Gatana
Bay 1989
Marauding
Twigalae
1984
1979
4-i
2-f
Fragmentation
Bay 2000
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Chestnut 1970
Silly Season
Great Occasion
1962
1965
1-g
7-f
Easy Date
Bay 1977
Grand Chaudiere
Scampering
1968
1970
19-b
20-a
Southern Sprinter
Bay 1990
Southern Appeal
Bay 1983
Valid Appeal
Southern Gem
1972
1973
2-c
26>
Ceres Mist
Grey 1982
Plush
Racice
1971
1968
22-b
7-d
Sami Queen
Bay 2009
Commands
Bay 1996
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Cotehele House
Brown or black 1980
My Swanee
Grey 1963
Petition
Grey Rhythm
1944
1954
16-g
8-j
Eight Carat
Brown 1975
Pieces of Eight
Klairessa
1963
1969
3-o
9-c
Baltics
Bay or brown 2003
Fusaichi Pegasus
Bay 1997
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Angel Fever
Bay 1990
Danzig
Rowdy Angel
1977
1979
7-a
8-c
Scandinavia
Chestnut 1994
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Easy Date
1970
1977
7-f
20-a
Song of Norway
Grey 1982
Vain
Love Song
1966
1976
A10
1-p
 Ancestor duplications:Danzig4m x 4m,5f Danehill3m x 3m Snippets3f x 4f
reductio ad absurdum
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