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maccamax
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I read Boss got 10 meetings suspension and Bonneval pulled up lame. Not good. |
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scamanda
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10 meetings is a slap on the wrist for what he did. 2 horses were lucky not to fall.
Boss should have been given a penalty that would scare the hell out of anyone else likely to do the same thing in the hope of winning their Grp 1 race. Grub.
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I started with nothing and still have most of it left
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horlicks
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Steward Report on the interference
Hartnell (GB) - checked severely approaching the 200m. Rider Glyn Schofield could offer no explanation other than the interference he suffered. A post race veterinary examination failed to reveal any abnormalities. Glen Boss (Riven Light (IRE)) - pleaded guilty to a charge of
careless riding under the provisions of AR137(a), the carelessness being that approaching
the 200m he permitted his mount to shift out causing tightening to Calderon and
Hartnell which were both checked severely. Glen Boss had his licence to ride in
races suspended for a period to commence at midnight October 15th
and to expire at midnight October 24th, a total of ten race meetings
(two metropolitan, eight provincial). In assessing penalty Stewards took into
account his guilty plea and good record and that the carelessness was in the
mid-range. |
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maccamax
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Stewards amaze me , too often. Approaching the 200 and wiping anything outside him of their chances isn't mid range. |
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Tlazolteotl
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Looked to be struggling before the interference to my eyes. What race would you want to back Hartnell in? I can't think of one.
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marble
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I think its the firm tracks and not spacing his runs enough - he doesnt like it
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Shrunk in the Wash
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Thought he was gone at the time he got bumped. Sadly I backed in as a standout in the quaddy leg. Got the other 3 |
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Tlazolteotl
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.... "But all those mug punters tearing up their tickets in tears after the big race should spare a thought for the ultimate Cup tragic, Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum. His United Arab Emirates airline provides the prizemoney and the best marquee, he has spent roughly $1 billion building a racing empire to win the Cup and he has come up short, again, with his sole ride in the race Hartnell, coming in 20th in a field of 23. And because his racing operation, Godolphin, is kind enough to lodge its financial accounts with our corporate regulator, we know that last year – when the sheikh managed to get five runners in the race – it reported a loss of more than $91 million. Up from a loss of $55.7 million the prior year. Accumulated losses have now topped $614 million, but the accounts assure us that "the company is a for-profit entity and primarily involved in thoroughbred horse breeding an But the red ink has reached a stage where the company admitted that its "ability to continue as a going concern is dependent upon the continued financial support of its ultimate shareholder", Sheikh Mohammed. The biggest line item was a $70 million writedown in
the value of its "biological assets", which means thoroughbreds that
were not good for much besides the glue factory. The biggest problem appears to be its stallions, which were slashed in value by more than $65 million – yes, they were dud studs. And it is a big deal for Godolphin. "Rendering of services" generated $27 million in revenue last year – easily beating the group's race winnings, which came to $19.7 million." Colin Kruger CBD SMH November 8, 2017 |
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Sunline
Champion Joined: 01 Jul 2008 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 22302 |
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I can't believe that James Cummings made the dumb decision to run this horse in the Melbourne Cup. I have to believe he was forced to - for what I imagine is the ridiculous sake to have a runner in our biggest race which they sponsor.
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Sunline...simply supreme
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acacia alba
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Thats why trainers get moved on, or move on . Dumb decisions from the top.
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animals before people.
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acacia alba
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PS. Sheik Mo thinks it a desert endurance ride .
Thankfully not as many of their horses die in the MC as they do in their endurance races. |
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animals before people.
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Shawy38
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I want to be happy but I just can’t stand that Williams like.
No wonder 95% of the Vic jockeys can’t stand him, he is so far up his own last he can see what he’s having for breakfast next month |
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scamanda
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No he isn't. Another Grp 1 win for Hartnell. Looked heavy in the mounting yard to me but it could have been the TV. More wins to come for him. |
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I started with nothing and still have most of it left
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maccamax
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The overs of the day really ... with NO Winx. |
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JudgeHolden
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Trainer wants to take on Winx in the Chipping Norton. Will probably get savaged for it but great I say. His form tapered a bit after a great first up run last start so maybe spacing his runs this time in might help.
Godolphin can afford a crack at the stumps. Would be good for racing. |
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Nick
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Winx would beat him
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Tlazolteotl
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Chipping Norton? Surely not. What's the thinking there Godolphin brains trust- do you think Waller can't train a horse to win at 1600m first up?
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Speediskey
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Why not run him there? Sure like always he will lose to her despite looking like a world beater when she's not there, but he's still going to run 2nd in a Group 1.
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Tlazolteotl
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Aren't they trying to win races? That would be my objective anyway. |
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Lord Hybrow
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So Tlazolteotl, where would you run him next?
The St George Stks is only 2 weeks away, so that comes up a bit soon for him. And with the Blamey Stks no longer being WFA, there’s no really any viable options bar coming to Sydney. |
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Tlazolteotl
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Can't he run in a fortnight? I'd run him in the Futurity. You aren't going to get any weaker G1s than those Caulfield 1400m ones. The race will probably be no stronger than it was yesterday. |
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Tlazolteotl
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Either that or straight into the Aus Cup. |
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djebel
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Hopefully it will be a cleaner fairer race. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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scamanda
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Really? Peter Moody who does know something about the game said yesterday it was one of the stronger Orr Stakes in recent times. Godolphin don't need the money so they're taking on Winx. There is far more recognition in being the horse that broke the run of wins by Winx than they would get from prizemoney. And although he probably won't do it they won't die wondering like some.
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I started with nothing and still have most of it left
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Tlazolteotl
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On what basis? Who in the race do you consider to be a high-class G1 performer at 1400m? |
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djebel
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Moody's comment probably underlines the thought process that the Orr is not a group 1 race.
Whilst it might have been a stonger Orr than recently run it was not a good 1400m advertisement. Hartnell should go back to England and compete in their 1600m races. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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scamanda
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I'll bow to Peter Moody's experience ahead of yours.
Go and ask him. |
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Tlazolteotl
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BHB had by far the best 1400m credentials and he didn't start. |
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scamanda
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Geez I hope not djebel. |
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scamanda
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Or maybe he was scratched because the trainer thought he had no chance against his stablemates Brave Smash and Tosen Stardom. Personally I think BHB is the horse that has lost all form. Hartnell beat him in the Lawrence as well, so Hartnell has the best credentials.
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