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Sunline
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Posted: 28 Feb 2015 at 8:22pm |
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That run today was too good for him not to win a big race over the carnival.
He trialled enormously leading into it so the performance was no surprise in the end. But this horse is a two mile winner, so to be running like that over a mile at G1 level augurs very, very well. Nominated for the Sydney Cup but you'd have to think they go Ranvet and BMW given he's shown he has the class to compete at that level.
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Sunline...simply supreme
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Nocturnal
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Run was terrific , well spotted Sunline
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The only problem with backing winners ? You never have enough on....
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KangaMick
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$150kn in StarStable. Easy choice!
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2007 JASBTC Champion,2008 JASBTC Runner-Up. NSW Surge-Aussie LFL Champions 2013/14
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James Bond Esq
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Get on for this year's Melbourne Cup.
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Afros
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Very impressive, liked the way he got through the field from near last at the turn to just about pip the well backed stablemate for the prize, if the strait was a little longer I reckon he wins that, unfortunately the run will have been well noticed and I doubt we'll get much of a price for him in the Ranvet...
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Gee Gee
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Had him star stable too.
Ran in St Leger last Sept good horse |
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daylami
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Dose anyone have any update on Havana Cooler? He is the only import from the stable that hasn't stepped out yet
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SYT
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Australian Cup could be his next run
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Sunline
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There are some bits and pieces of $11 and $10 on Betfair for Australian Cup if anyone is interested.
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Sunline...simply supreme
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SYT
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Would take it if I knew he'd be going for sure, could start fav if confirmed.
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Sunline
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Worth the risk SYT.
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Sunline...simply supreme
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Afros
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On his run yesterday 2000m at Flemington will suit him perfectly, reckon if he goes to either the Ranvet or the Aus Cup he just wins...
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SYT
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I'll have a fairly decent bet once I hear confirmation. Will keep an eye out on news. |
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James Bond Esq
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Please tell us when you fins out SYT. |
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djebel
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Wonder what Mark Johnston thinks of this bloke having the speed to run second in a group 1 mile race ?
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reductio ad absurdum
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subastral
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Probably the same as all other English trainers. That all our horses over 1200m are distinctly inferior to theirs. |
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Tlazolteotl
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Go fast Aussie drugs obviously. Looking at his record there is nothing to suggest he wouldn't be competitive at 8f. Very versatile- what would you say is his best distance?
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djebel
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Thats not exactly true though is it. Starcraft, Elvstroem, Haradsun and So You Think did us proud in Europe over a mile and 2000m. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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subastral
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Super horses are the exception, Djebel, not the norm. Send 100 horses from the UK here and 80 will go to a better level here. Send 100 of our horses to the UK, 20 will improve to a higher level.
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djebel
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If he is kept fresh he could be outstanding from 1600m to 2400m. I can not see him running 3200m on a typical Aussie campaign. As I say elsewhere, Once he gets into the fortnightly grind of racing every fortnight he will lose his enthusiasm and comeback to the field. Hartnell was rated one pound inferior ( officially ) in the UK to what Michelangelo was. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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Tlazolteotl
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When you say rating do you mean one single figure?
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djebel
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I am talking about what they would have carried if they met in a handicap in the UK. Michelangelo would have given Hartnell 1/2 a kilo. When they left England at their differing times, Michelangelo had an official handicap of 111, Hartnell had 110. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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Tlazolteotl
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i mean in general- all these ratings for horses- are they one figure:
Horse X has a rating of 116 or are they, horse X's ratings are: 1000- 1200- 84 1400-1600- 91 1800- 2000- 100 2200- 2400- 105 And so on. That is, different ratings for different distances, since few horses are equally good at all distances.
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SYT
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Will run in Aus Cup as long as there is some give in track.
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Sunline
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Booyeah!
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Sunline...simply supreme
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stayer
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where'd u get this? |
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Geraldo
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Yeah, one master rating. The Official Handicapper only has discretion for one race in the calendar - the Grand National.
I read an interview with Mark Johnston a couple of years ago. He said that when he started he wanted to be the Martin Pipe of the Flat, and have the fittest horses around. And because he was gonna work his horses harder than anyone else, he was gonna feed them more than anyone else as well. He was ruefully reflecting on it not being as easy and simple as he had originally imagined. Try to find pictures of Johnston's gallops - it's the typical interval training hill that many of the British trainers have nowadays. So, nearly all of his horses are trained to be stayers. A lot of them are frontrunners, so he attracts some of the same criticism as Gai Waterhouse, because when they're not 100% they'll often be beaten a long way, because of being frontrunners and running out of steam.
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TBV - where it is the Silly Season all year round.
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SYT
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Andrew Bensley reported it |
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Sunline
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Let's hope he goes to the Sydney Cup next.
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Sunline...simply supreme
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SYT
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Love both him and contributer!
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