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maccamax
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The Handicapper has Hartnell's measure . Best he stay with WFA> Nice prize money for him. |
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Lord Hybrow
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I tend to agree he might be weighted out of big handicaps now too.
Perfect race for him this spring is the Sandown Classic - perfect distance of 2400m and WFA conditions |
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mikey
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Agree with those that have warmed to Bonneval. She very may well be the next Super Mare! Her AJC Oaks win in the autumn looked amazing but even more impressive is the fact that she has progressed with that form through to open age.
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Bonfield
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Hartnell is something of an enigma. Last spring he put a sequence of dominant wins together but has been unable to reproduce that form in two preps since. Was flat 2nd up this prep, and did improve 3rd up, but personally I don't think we will ever see the horse that thrashed Jameka in the Turnbull of 2016.
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maccamax
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I'll stick my neck out . Bonneval is no super mare. I realise her 6 wins on end but using the Oaks 1st. = Took her a week to run it. I have a pet duck who would have won that. Her last win, they went quick at Caulfield , she beat Hartnell 1L over 1800m under the same weights as Winx slaughtered him 8L. another 200m would the result been the same . Cool Chap took the honours over 1700m that day. Can you see him as some super star. The class of galloper from here on will have her rear on fire. |
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stayer
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Weird how long it took a lot of people to realize that Bonneval is one of the only good distance horses going round this season. And yet heaps of people were obsessed with Gingernuts as the Kiwi threat. Don't get it. I've been chipping away at Bonneval and Amelies Star (and Egg Tart unfortunately) in both cups for weeks, and am only worried about the raiders. |
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maccamax
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Stayer:- I'll half agree with you . Ventura Storm is the improver , with Amelie's Star top of my 30 chances.
Ventua Star wins last week had Winx stayed home. Terrific Racing coming up . I wouldn't be dead for quids. |
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stayer
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Agree with all that. VS could be good. And this is definitely looking like the best Spring we've had for years. Almost lost interest in Spring racing the last few years, but this year is looking really interesting. Just wish Star Stable was still going. |
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scamanda
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Come on guys this is the Hartnell thread. Only Winx is allowed to drop in and hijack it.
I think Hartnell will run a lot closer to the lead on saturday and give them all a taste of what he did last spring at Flemington. |
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I started with nothing and still have most of it left
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stayer
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Yeah sorry forgot it was the Hartnell thread!
I personally can't remember ever betting on Hartnell. Too hard to figure out for me. That's all I've got about Hartnell. |
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maccamax
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Hartnell is very much a part of what we debated. The yardstick to most of them .. Great form lines to compare. Your in love with a Kiwi "B" = I'll tell. |
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correctweight
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I think he has been poorly ridden last two starts. In the Makybe he was ridden too aggressively and in the Underwood he was ridden too negative. Will get his chance this week if ridden properly.
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scamanda
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I agree correctweight.
Godolphin or James Cummings dictate the tactics and they got them very wrong. |
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I started with nothing and still have most of it left
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maccamax
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Exactly & the barrier draw won't help the Bonn. Surely Hartnell rings up No 1 this time. |
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Breeding Above All
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I like him this weekend.. will beat Bonneval home
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Sunline
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Who has more improvement Hartnell 4th up vs Bonneval 3rd up and looking more like a goat than a racehorse in the yard to date?
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Sunline...simply supreme
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maccamax
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The BIG thing is the Handicapper says Hartnell. and the past 2 runs were not good rides. He gives the NZ Bonneval 3K on Saturday. 5.5K in the Caulfield Cup I doubt Bonneval gets a gut buster in this Lead up from 11 alley. I gsee yr point tho Sunline .. she is on the improve. |
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Sunline
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Lots of well made points. I guess that's why they're fighting it out for favouritism before they even fight it out for the win.
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Sunline...simply supreme
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jacko1
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How many excuses does he need?
"He was too handy" "He was too far back" He could win, but I think there isn't much value for a horse that requires such a pin point perfect ride.
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maccamax
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Good racing aye . The more points Put forward the better . Gives people points to consider. I like people who define WHY they think a point . In the end it helps all concerned. You and Scamanda have a name to live up to .. I've been singing the praises... Hope it's not a Mokka. |
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maccamax
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He's only just making his distance range Jacko1... Amassed over $4 million so he's no slouch. Is well in here compared to Bonneval. |
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Sunline
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You must be my bookie haha! Scamanda is in career best at the moment. Long may it continue!
And you're good for more than your share. Don't be shy to let us onto one or two as they normally come in at a price that'll feed us through to Christmas. |
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Sunline...simply supreme
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maccamax
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I'm like Donneval , I need more racing , and an aged gelding ... |
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correctweight
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As said earlier Bonneval will not have a gut buster in this for next week. She'll be taken out the back and then run on. Hartnell matched her last start but was just in a worse posi.
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Nick
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Special tomorrow!
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Magnolian Khan
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Not looking good
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Tlazolteotl
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Finished
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scamanda
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Finished?
What broken down?
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I started with nothing and still have most of it left
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maccamax
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Hartnell was flattened when going all right, at a crucial stage . Haven't seen a word about it in the news. A lot of dust to settle before the M.C grand final arrives. |
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brave_ponies
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From what I saw he got smashed twice, it looked very ugly, and he was lucky to stay on his feet.
I was on the winner but was too worried about Hartnell to enjoy it. Hope he's ok. If anyone hears anything, please post. |
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