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Tlazolteotl
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He is an absolute weight and rating certainty in the Sydney Cup- so of course he'll lose.
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VPI
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Gee Gee
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he'll def go Syd Cup
Contrib to QE.
take the double,
to the whingers who don't liekt he price of the darley double add in Savaria for the Oaks :)
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SYT
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Loving the OShea double this week!!
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Sunline
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He's a moral on Saturday.
Only has one danger and that's Who Shot Thebarman, and he meets him 1kg better at the weights for a beating. Probably hasn't been a bigger moral in this race since Tie The Knot.
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Sunline...simply supreme
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Tlazolteotl
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If Hartnell loses you'd be entitled to give up the punt.
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SYT
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All over him again this week!
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subastral
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Surely Protectionist is a bigger danger? |
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James Bond Esq
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Glad I took him when he was $6 early. Seems massive overs now. The bookies were slow to cotton on to how good he is.
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SYT
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When was he $6 for the Sydney Cup?
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James Bond Esq
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I reckon the triffy is a moral.
Barman, Protection and Hartnell. |
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James Bond Esq
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Before the Chippy Norton. I guess most Bookies thought it might go to the QE11. |
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cabosanlucas
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he is a lovely type. i bumped into john oshea the day after the chipping norton and commented how striking of a looker hartnell is. i put it on him "is hartnell a better type than contributer?"
he wouldnt go that far, only saying contributer is a real athlete who will be best around 2000 whilst hartnell will be better over the longer trips. |
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djebel
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Everybody seems convinced he will run the trip.
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reductio ad absurdum
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James Bond Esq
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1 from 1 at the distance.
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3blindmice
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And no obvious pace in the race.
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SYT
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Thanks for sharing.
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James Bond Esq
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All Hatnell jockey needs to do is make sure he is 2 lengths infront of WSTBM on the turn and it wins.
Shouldn't be hard as WSTBM will go back from the wide draw. Protectionist is the wild card and could do anything from win by 11 lengths to flop and run last. |
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djebel
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In the 3yo race at Royal Ascot. Hardly a high quality affair. I will go and have a look at it to see how that particular renewal has stood up. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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djebel
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I see he had 7 starts as a 2yo under Mark Johnston. Does not seemed to have done him any harm.
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reductio ad absurdum
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Speediskey
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Theres no pace in this, won't be a genuine 3200, he also has a light weight.
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James Bond Esq
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all it has to do is lope along and then sprint for the last 400.
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djebel
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Yep fair points, He basically outclasses them.
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reductio ad absurdum
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James Bond Esq
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but you are right. The only nagging query is if he runs out the distance.
What do people think of the Hong Kong horse Dominant? Looked to run on well last start. |
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djebel
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He is a seriously classy horse but I doubt he will run the trip. If he got out to 16/1+ I'd have something on him just because of his class.
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reductio ad absurdum
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daylami
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Harnell won the Queen's Vase as a 3 year old on an undulating track with a stiff uphill finish. I doubt he will have a problem running the distance on a flat Randwick track. Two of the last three Ascot gold cup winners have come from the Queen's Vase (Leading light, Estimate). Mark Johnston's horse are extremely tough;so I don't see him being outstayed. He ticks all the boxes, the only way Hartnell gets beat on Saturday is if he takes a backward step
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James Bond Esq
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Yes it looks the best bet of all time. That is why the money came so strongly at $2.70 and $2.50 and even $2.30.
I expect it to almost start in the red come race time. |
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Tlazolteotl
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Of course he could have a cough or a cold or some kind of splutter or a bleed which will ruin his chances but I'm reasonably sure he won't have the excuse I often see used of being in season.
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3blindmice
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Thanks Daylami. Found this video of the Ascot raceday which includes the Hartnell 2M win at 38m mark and the incredible win of Eagle Top over Adelaide (18:40m mark)
Did get a bit tired late but with 52kgs the risk might be he forgets there's a jockey on and goes to sleep. Convinced me he's as near a certainty in a G1 as you can get.
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breeding_above_all
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Hartnell is beautifully bred and you would be confident he will stay the trip BUT there seems to be absolutely 0 love for Protectionist. He made a mockery of the field on MC day and tbh this wouldn't be a better field imo.
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