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Bonfield
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Posted: 19 Dec 2014 at 12:40pm |
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I propose a game to spice up the off season. The aim of the game is to become the "King Of The Hill" and to stay there as long as possible. Each week the King and one selected Challenger pick one horse each to win that Saturday. If the King defeats the Challenger, he retains King status for another week when he faces a different Challenger. If the Challenger wins, then he becomes the King.
King Of The Hill rules: - King and Challenger pick one horse only for any Saturday race of their choosing - Victor is lowest finishing position (eg win beats 2nd, 5th beats 6th) - If equal finishing position, then highest SP is Victor - If a horse is scratched it can be replaced before race starts - If a scratching and no replacement nominated before race starts then the game for that week is null and void. King and same Challenger resume the following week. How to qualify as a Challenger: In addition to the main King Of The Hill challenge outlined above, each week there will be a Qualifying Round which is open to anyone. The winner of this Qualifying Round becomes the Challenger for the following week. The rules for the Qualifying Round are identical to the King Of The Hill rules, except that in the case of a scratching where you do not nominate a replacement, the Qualifying Round is not void, you just miss out. Basically everyone just picks a horse and the highest placed, longest priced tip earns the right to be Challenger the following week. First week: To kick things off we of course don't have a King or Challenger, so we have a Qualifying Round where the Victor becomes the King, and the runner up becomes the Challenger for next week. Probably sounds confusing, but don't be put off. Just post you best bet for Saturday and I'll guide you through it. Have a go. Hopefully it will be fun.
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Bonfield
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De Little Engine.
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Bonfield
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One thing I didn't think of is what to do if two people tip the same horse. Well I think the only fair thing to do is recognise the first person to tip a horse and ignore the other(s).
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Flem R7 - 7 Boomwa
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Nothing better than seeing the Big Grey in full flight!
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Swing with Me r2 flemington
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Sneck
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Since this is a heads up match up you forgot the most important rule of the game which will dictate much of the strategy, who is required to put their tip up first? It is obviously a significant advantage to go last.
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Bonfield
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How so?
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Gay3
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Not necessarily, the sooner you tip the more likely to get your 1st choice. terrific concept Bonfield
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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SYT
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De Little Engine was my best but Bond was first in.
Big Money! (sorry Sub!)
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Bris: JUMBO PRINCE
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Sneck
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This assumes some forecasting ability.
If they go wide in the market you fade their tip and find the shortest runner in the smallest field. If they go short and find an even money short you look for a 5/4 shot, despite having the longer priced runner you have a huge equity advantage. If you both win the 5/4 shot wins, if you both run second the 5/4 shot wins. |
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Sneck
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I've noticed there's little thought given to game theory on here which is a surprise considering this is a gambling forum.
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Gay3
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Probably because we're not playing for thousands
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Sneck
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James Bond Esq
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What tactics do you suggest? Wait till 2 minutes before the race of your choice with your 20-1 winner identified and pounce at the last second. How is there any game theory involved in picking your best bet of the weekend or a little value for the ladies. |
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Bonfield
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I see your point. What do you suggest? Must the Challenger post their selection by Friday night? Or perhaps 10am Saturday? This would give the King last crack if he chooses to play a waiting game. I'm not convinced it's necessary. What do others think?
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Sneck
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Sorry I meant to quote bond
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Sneck
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King should have the option to tip last if he desires but it doesn't look like it'll matter.
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Ecair Issoire
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i can see sneck's point..
when in the qualifying round, you need some value as a 6/4 fav probably won't cut it.. but head to head..tipping 2nd is a decent advantage. i think the challanger should get the advantage of tipping 2nd.. makes keeping the "king of the hill' title more impressive. maybe make 1 aprty tip by 9pm fri night + give the other the option of tipping until just before race time.... |
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Ecair Issoire
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also, what price do you use..? home tote, top tote?
sp? |
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Bonfield
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I think Sneck has a fair point. I think the King should have the any advantage, if any.
Extra rule: - Challenger must post his selection by 10am Saturday. King must post his selection by 12 noon Saturday.
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Bonfield
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As I said in the initial post, SP (starting price).
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Ecair Issoire
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sorry, i missed that ..
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James Bond Esq
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Why not just tip a winner!
We all know the idea of value and the rules. There are thousands of winners out there heck there are even night meetings at Cranbourne and Hobart. You guys would complicate the A B C if you could! |
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Flem R7 No 13 Release The Speed
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