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Jamal
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How did you come to that line of thinking? Starspangledbanner is a sprinter who won up to 1600m (Caulfield Guineas). SYT was a middle distance hrse who placed at 3200m. Starspangledbammer did beat SYT in the Caulfield Guineas. Apart from that they are two different style of horses. |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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djebel
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Stop getting hooked Jamal
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Jamal
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I think Bart knew that he should of ran SYT in a mile and a half race in prep for the Melbourne Cup. |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Red Rancher
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Umm. Course record. 4 deep entire trip with 3rd horse 5 lenghts back. Not too mention Humidor is a much classier horse than Zipping.
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djebel
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I would rather have my life relying on Zipping running to his best than Humidor.
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3blindmice
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....Red Excitement a length, in receipt of 2kg, Foxplay by a half head. Context helps.
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Red Rancher
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Arent we talking about the CP? If we are talking about context SYT has an easy lead on the fence the trip and just beat Zipping who wouldnt beat Gailo Chop today.
Sorry its simply chalk and cheese in terms of performances. I'm just gobsmacked there are a few on this forum endlessly talking her down.
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Passing Through
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WINX 134
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djebel
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Talking her down ? It is simply a debate about her standing in the modern order or more to the point how far in front she might be. |
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djebel
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And by the way NO horses life story should be defined by what they achieved at Moonee Valley.
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Jamal
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So You Think: 134 https://www.racingandsports.com.au/en/english-ire/timeform-rates-so-you-think-134-story-215864 |
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You are as usual correct djebel, I have never judged Merryl Streep on what she done in Hollywood as her best work, Out Of Africa was by far her best piece of work. |
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djebel
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3blindmice
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With the mare allowance that's 136/7?
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3blindmice
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Lol RR. Ignoring Bart's prep in that CP would be ignoring context I suspect, as would not mentioning CP1 where SYT smashed Zipping and still handn't turned three. Iirc CP1 gave him a course record or something similar (fastest on new build?).
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3blindmice
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All the good'uns have won at multiple venues in at least two states? CP provides a totally different test where you usually have to get on your bike early and ride hard around the turn.
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oneonesit
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The TAB form guide for Winx yesterday finished by saying "Bright Prospects". Well to be fair it was correct I suppose !
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SHOVHOG
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I really thought classic uniform would beat her yesterday.
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" In gambling the many must lose in order for the few to win"
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djebel
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Pretty sure Timeform already factor in the female allowance. |
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3blindmice
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Better still would have been "chance if held up early", or "expected to run home late".
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Wasn't sure about that djebel but found this which suggests otherwise
Battash's wins in the King George at Goodwood and the Abbaye at Chantilly on Arc Day were remarkably good, both returning ratings of 136 which puts him a good few lengths ahead of the Lightning. (Before we get emails, Black Caviar would be rated ahead of him once her mares allowance is accounted for. Relax.) |
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3blindmice
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Yes, which makes all the girls even higher rated. Did read something about world best horse recently, Winx, Enable etc, I'll look for it.
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djebel
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Black Caviar has 136 Battash has 136 That means in a race with the sex allowance she would/should beat him home. |
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djebel
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Actually, as I clicked send I was thinking ( yes that hurts ) that that is my understanding.
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Jamal
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And Saintly is nkt even on the list either, neither is Lets Elope. Both of those horses raced in strog eras.
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3blindmice
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Agreed 11. Far too many anomalies in some of TFs ratings.
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