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TIGER
Champion Joined: 23 Feb 2007 Status: Offline Points: 8533 |
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Please go to England and put Enable to sleep
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maccamax
Champion Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Status: Offline Points: 41473 |
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lol .. The Austin A40 was a popular little car of the 1940/50's. I had a Ute and canopy , the mattress in the back was our Motel of those days. I shudder when I think about it now 3bm. The motor was about the Mini size but easier to access. 45mph was it's tops, comfort zone , but understand we didn't know any different in those days. Who would have imagined it would be one day to London in 2020... At my Grans property it was 100yards to the "pit" style toilet and no mortein. When I purchased our 2nd home in St Mary's NSW in 1970 the "dunny" man came and emptied every week. And YES , the more punting study you do the luckier you get. the "boosts" I read about must be tough on those poor bookmakers. |
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Shrunk in the Wash
Champion Joined: 25 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 9890 |
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I love the mare and have her in the top few that I've seen in my time on this fair planet. In saying that Vo Rogue beat/flogged, in the same manner, that Winx is flogging her contemporaries the following.
Better Loosen Up Bonecrusher Campaign King Super Impose Our Poetic Prince Not saying they would beat her but I have no doubt they would beat her current opposition |
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Champion Joined: 23 Feb 2007 Status: Offline Points: 8533 |
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As much as I love Winx I think she would have trouble going past Might And Power in his prime.
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3blindmice
Champion Joined: 22 Oct 2012 Status: Offline Points: 18105 |
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Vo Rogue was an absolute marvel at his best. Sustained high speed brought the very best undone. And let's not forget his jockey Cyril Small who knew how to rate him. Both he and M&P wouldn't have been floundering when Winx unleashed so it would've been a spectacle worth travelling miles for had they been in the same era. In many ways it's fortunate they weren't.
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maccamax
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She has Won races and run times that were beyond Might and Power in her distance ranges. The Randwick miles for a start . But those Champions of the past were the best of their time as Winx is today. Respect them all , they all gave a lot to Racing . |
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Balciano
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Thats some list mate. Wouldn't say that Vo Rogue flogged Better Loosen Up though, they met 5 times from my memory and BLU won 4 - Blamey 1990 (BLU won) Aust Cup 90 (Vo) Rawson 90 (BLU) then in 91 BLU won the Blamey and Aust Cup when Vo was well past his best. How about Rubiton? Only had 16 starts but in the Cox Plate alone he beat Our Poetic Prince (2nd) Vo Rogue (4th) Beau Zam (5th) and Campaign King (10th) BLU had winning H2H records against Vo Rogue, Super Impose, Horlicks and Sydeston, and beat the likes of Belmez and Cacoethes in Japan. Add in the likes of Shaftesbury Avenue, Lets Elope, Rough Habit etc and that was a tremendous era. |
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Balciano
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That's not to knock Winx in any way, she's as good as I've ever seen (or ever will see.)
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Red Rancher
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Super Impose and M&P are my two favorite horses of all time. Think Winx would beat them easy.
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Red Rancher
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and I dont rate Vo Rogue. He would get run down all the time.
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3blindmice
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Nothing would have run Vo Rogue down in a couple of his wins.
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Red Rancher
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I remember the era wel and backed him many times.
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Lordy
Champion Joined: 22 May 2010 Location: Sunshine State Status: Offline Points: 13887 |
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Gees there some good horses around that time. |
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Jamal
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Is it fair to rate SYT as a champion ir has his reputation been tarnished so to speak as he only won five Group 1s in Australia?
Where does SYT sit in terms of bein rated alongside the champs of the late 80s, 1990s, 2000s and now? |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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djebel
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It would be interesting to see Winx stretching out to try and catch a flying Might And Power. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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djebel
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Of course it is fair to rate him a champion, he stays here he probably wins 4 Plates and Saucer or two along the way. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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Jamal
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He is probably better known for racing against thebes in the world and wining five Group 1s rather then his acbievements in Australia. |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Red Rancher
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SYT was good. M&P was better. Winx best.
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Red Rancher
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SYT beat Zipping by a length in the CP. Can't say that is remotely hot form.
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Jamal
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SYT beat Workforce..an Arc winner. Thats proper and true opposition. |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Red Rancher
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Not knocking SYT but he was no Winx.
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Jamal
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At least SYT will be known for taking on the best in the world and doing well. I reckon thats what he will be best known for. I have Winx beating SYT by roughly two lengths at 2000m. Could be more or less. Its just hard to line them up (and other past greats). Although I have seen comments on social media that Winx would beat SYT by ten lengths which to me sounds a bit extreme. |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Speediskey
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At both of their peaks my guess would be Winx by around 3-4 over 2000 if the track has give, if its rock hard maybe 2-3.
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3blindmice
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SYT was aiming at the MC when he beat Zipping by a length and a quarter. Flogged him by 3 as a 2yo (by bd) in CP1. Workforce won a massive two true and proper G1s. Cultural cringe.
Time to move this to a more appropriate thread.
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3blindmice
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Red Rancher
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See you had to add in the 1/4 length. You will also notice that Zipping was closing on the line.
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Shrunk in the Wash
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Starspangledbanner was a better horse that SYT |
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djebel
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reductio ad absurdum
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djebel
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Imagine defining a horses form via a 1/2 length beating of Humidor.
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reductio ad absurdum
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3blindmice
Champion Joined: 22 Oct 2012 Status: Offline Points: 18105 |
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As might be expected following the late-ish decision to take SYT to the Cup. Might be my memory inventing stuff but I seem to recall Bart lamenting the fact that he would have won the MC if he'd been allowed to prepare SYT for that race specifically. All good discussion for another thread.
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