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Mr Lefty
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So let me get this right. Battash is rated on par with Black Caviar, and Crystal Ocean sits comfortably on 129 having never won a single Group 1 race. Sounds legit to me lol
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djebel
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It really has little to do with the races grading. I have seen 2 2yos this season that would already be superior to all the group 1 winning 2yos last season. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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Mr Lefty
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Well that's convenient when working out just who is best and who aint, Perhaps its even biased lol
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Mr Lefty
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Just for giggles how did the July cup winner assert himself on his trip out here, Just how well did his form and rating stack up ???????
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djebel
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Clearly he did not enjoy his trip to Australia. He struggled to keep up with his less fancied stablemates.
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reductio ad absurdum
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Gee Gee
Champion Joined: 31 Aug 2009 Status: Offline Points: 8300 |
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Read page 1 of this thread. :)
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Smoke and Mirrors
Champion Joined: 10 Sep 2016 Location: Victoria Status: Offline Points: 1396 |
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She’s back in work
Started pre training this week |
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"Go Hard or Go Home”
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Tlazolteotl
Champion Joined: 02 Oct 2012 Location: Elephant Butte Status: Offline Points: 31302 |
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He must have given the impression of a horse that was enjoying himself because they kept on backing him.
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An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought.
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djebel
Premium Joined: 07 Mar 2007 Status: Offline Points: 53960 |
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Is this her box ?
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reductio ad absurdum
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Gay3
Moderator Group Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Location: Miners Rest Status: Online Points: 51823 |
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Saw that earlier & thought it looked awfully tight
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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acacia alba
Champion Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Location: Hunter Valley Status: Offline Points: 41248 |
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One would suspect they would all be like that at Wallers ??
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animals before people.
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Sister Dot
Premium Joined: 25 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 4878 |
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Is she over at the knee? A few champs have been. I think it’s a plus! Might be a key to soundness in front legs 😳
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“Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined”
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furious
Champion Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Status: Offline Points: 25067 |
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I was thinking the same. Never noticed it before though.
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Carioca
Champion Joined: 13 Nov 2015 Status: Online Points: 21701 |
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Agree with you there Sister Dot, comes with age on a few champs as you say, over but a nice short cannon more than compensates imo, Todman was noticeable over when he made his comeback but sound in front fwiw. |
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Gay3
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Old Ronny Bones once told me they're even sounder in the knees than 'correct' ones. He was referring to a great old h/capper I had by Jambo whose knees actually quivered they were so far forward/bent!
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Carioca
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Use to love the Jambo stock Gay , if you have a look at Choisirs pedigree you will see his fourth dam ( maternal) Straightlaced was by Jambo ( she won the Flight S.) I strapped her when I was very young fwiw, probably why he appealed . |
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djebel
Premium Joined: 07 Mar 2007 Status: Offline Points: 53960 |
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Some Winx triva.
12 fillies have beaten her home. Slightly Sweet x 2, First Seal X 5
2 of those fillies have 2yos in training, Both with John Hawkes - Peggy Jean ( Enjaaz ) and Mossfun ( Tumooh )
No gelding has ever beaten her.
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reductio ad absurdum
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Afros
Champion Joined: 14 Jan 2009 Status: Offline Points: 15306 |
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So we should aim to buy fillies and never geld?
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djebel
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Yes.
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maccamax
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She Has put on a mountain of weight . Especially lower areas. . Good chest and diving power is the rear. The Bloke and the Horse don't look too bad either. |
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maccamax
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Time Flies . Only a few weeks before The smart Lady will be adding to her imposing record.
Hard to accept 3 months have passed since her 4th Cox Plate win. |
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Prince of Penzance
Champion Joined: 17 Jan 2018 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 1938 |
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She looks the best I’ve ever seen her this prep.
Shame they’re retiring her, could easily keep going. |
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maccamax
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Who said she was retiring ? Don't frighten me . |
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Afros
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Waller said after her trial, Appolo, Chipping Norton, Ryder and a finale in the Queen Elizabeth, then she's retired.
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Speediskey
Champion Joined: 19 Feb 2014 Status: Offline Points: 4116 |
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Why are they going to the Apollo? Does anyone know?
She's not really a 1400m horse anymore - last year she was fine just going straight to the mile, so whats the reason - it's not money and it's not even a Group 1. |
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Afros
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The cynic in me would suggest it's in the hope of giving it a ratings boost and potential Group 1 status.
It'll never happen but I reckon it'd be nice if she kicked off in the Orr, final farewell to Melbourne and one last race at Caulfield and after the Queen Elizabeth go to the Doomben Cup, off in the state where she first really announced herself as a champion. |
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jacko1
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jacko1
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Yeah it's a bit of a shame from a trivia point of view, she has only run in G1's since the 2017 Chelmsford and would have been neat to see her extend her record for successive G1 wins without a lower grade race in between. Currently it's:
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jacko1
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She's also $1.6 million off becoming the highest earning horse in history.
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Speediskey
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I get why you wan't to see her travel to Melbourne but that race makes even less sense for her, Caulfield 1400 is pretty risky for her. I just feel like whats the point of even running her in this, it's not for fitness, money or to win more G1's, so what is it?
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