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Speediskey
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So why didn't Winx?
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Baguette
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I don’t understand why people are so quick to bag our industry . It is one of the biggest and most successful racing/breeding industries in the world after all. Compared to just about anywhere else our racing is booming ! The double standard is rife as well. Both Furore and Beauty Generation were racing here they were both merely promising horses. I certainly had both of them marked down as ones to watch next preparation. They go to Hong Kong and start winning, Beauty Generation becoming a champion, and people want to bag our trainers and not consider the opposition they’re facing. Yet when Hartnell , whose form as a young horse in England was similar to them, comes out here and becomes a star it’s because our racing is weak . Double standard much . I think the answer to all these horses is they’ve thrived in their new environment and new racing styles .
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JudgeHolden
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Well, if by "successful" you mean make a lot of money, you're probably right. If you mean by producing quality horses over a range of distances, then it's a dismal failure.
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djebel
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Winx is a freak and basically since her 4yo season she has not been campaigned on a typical fortnightly routine. Waller does not campaign any of his other stars in the same manner he does her, They ALL go through the same fortnightly rigour of racing. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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TJMitchell
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Except for one of course but he is worth about $40m though.
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Carioca
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V'landys has layed the red carpet out for her in the last couple of years to spite the Mexicans lol, so he can cherry pick a little , I might add this is in no way derogatory to our queenie , she is a delight to watch and we are as horse lovers ..privileged to have her.
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Jamal
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Yes SYT could win a Doncaster, Ryder and Epsom. I think he only had a few goes as a younger horse at the mile for 5th (Caulfield Guineas) and a 2nd (Emirates Stakes). But he was better at 2000m |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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ChrisB
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If anyone thinks SYT couldn't win a Doncaster even carrying weight, especially when The Clapper has won two, has completely lost the plot.t
Happy Clapper is not even favourite in a WFA mile over the same distance!! |
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ChrisB
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SYT if fit and set for race he would be less than 1.50 in this field.
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kavg
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Jamal, you are right that SYT COULD have won a Doncaster,Ryder or Epsom if he had tried. But he didn't.
Similarly Winx could have won a Tatts Gold Cup, a Prince of Wales and a Coral Eclipse but she didn't try. You can't believe one WITHOUT believing the other. Otherwise you are being subjective. In fact there is a form reference we could use to measure up some horses. Carlton House was 2nd to SYT in his last UK run. SYT was retired, Carlton house 2 starts later finished behind Excelebration, then went to HK and finished behind Alcopop, then had a campaign in Sydney including a 2nd behind Silent Achiever and a 2nd behind Dundeel. Alcopop also clashed once with SYT.
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Prejudice is an emotional attachment to ignorance.
DiEM25 for the world. |
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Jamal
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Well then why do some people (not on this forum) say Winx would win an Arc? Because the fact is...she didn't run in one. |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Jamal
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I agree. |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Jamal
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Spot on |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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ChrisB
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Happy Clapper form as a gun horse testing Winx has stood up.........not.
Again. |
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JudgeHolden
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Oh come on. Hardly the real Clapper today. Doesn’t race his best in Melbourne but even then disappointing. First up run flattened him.
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Heavy10
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You like fishing 😂 We all know Happy Clapper goes better in Sydney...and could argue she broke him last start, he tried his guts out and still she won easy. Winx would of won that race today by 3 hard held |
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Jamal
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I'd back More Joyous to run better then Happy Clapper in today's All-star Mile. Longines have Happy Clapper in the top 4 for ratings (123). Happy Clapper is a good horse but not world class. It again proves my point, ChrisB's point and Judgeholden's point that Winx is a champion but the era she is racing in at a mile onwards has no depth. |
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kavg
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Haha Chris the stirrer. Of course the hartnell and le romain form did stand up for Winx!
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Prejudice is an emotional attachment to ignorance.
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Jamal
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I'd back More Joyous to run better then Happy Clapper in today's All-star Mile. Longines have Happy Clapper in the top 4 for ratings (123). Happy Clapper is a good horse but not world class. It again proves my point, ChrisB's point and Judgeholden's point that Winx is a champion but the era she is racing in at a mile onwards has no depth.
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Heavy10
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Hartnell got towelled up by Winx, prob should of went close today... Jamal, Chris B love to cherry pick stats...lets face it Jamal only rates horses that have some kind of connection to WA |
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kavg
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Jamal it does not prove that Winx could win in Europe if trained for it.
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Prejudice is an emotional attachment to ignorance.
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Jamal
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I reckon Winx could win in Europe but it's only.my opinion
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furious
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Jamal you don't back Happy in Melbourne. He's much better in Sydney. Lots of horses like that. But not Winx. She's supreme both ways.
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ChrisB
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I also think Winx could win overseas Jamal. Superstar as she is.
But today again proved she has been running against B Grade opposition for a while. MJ gave them all windburn yet before the race apparently Happy Clapper second best horse in Aust!! |
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Jamal
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Look at the Longines Official Ratings...the handicappers.rate Happy Clapper highly. |
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furious
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Chris look at Happy's record. He prefers Sydney way. Like Tie the Knot who was an out and out champ in Sydney and barely got out of his way in Melbourne. Just the way it is with some horses.
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ChrisB
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Benbatl made Happy look ordinary.
Mystic Journey just made Happy look ordinary. Winx regularly beats Happy Clapper for 1st and 2nd. And everyone craps on about how great she is......yet he isn't that special at all. There is a theme hers. Again, i think Winx is amazing but today again just shows it's impossible to think she's a freak as she is beating nothing. |
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ChrisB
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Furious, top quality horses (like Winx) can win away from home.
Happy can't. |
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Heavy10
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And Hartnell? He thrashed Happy Clapper today, Winx thrashes Hartnell...lets face it, you're an idiot |
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Jamal
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At least TTK had a better record in Melbourne....14 starts for 1 win and 6 placings. Happy Clappers record in Melbourne Has had 6 starts for 1 placing. |
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