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furious
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Then why make breeders up in arms by similar high minded stand over tactics. Talk, research and understand your participants. Get the story on how they operate and get the true story out there.
I've just had a horrid week with overheads for me going through the roof so don't need to be told - as I close on 60 - that the industry I've given my life too, which I love with all my heart, is in fact totally against modern thinking. Why. Does modern man want to live in a room and play video games about horses and dogs, but never know the real live animal. Living with animals is hard work but worth the effort. No one, who doesn't live that life, has the right to tell others that "oh well that is life", goodbye to another industry. I've said it before when they decided to shut down floor mills in Australia it killed my father with grief and stress. So much worry for a gentle man and I'm sure that's what brought on his cancer. Racing Australia may of had all the best will in the world but likewise they went about it the wrong way. What is wrong with people these days. Are the big men so protected that they can't see the stress that the small man is suffering from. We all have to work hard to keep this industry safe at all times. It's so easy for a fall to kill either a horse of jockey etc. We have to work hard to keep the creeps - who don't care and only look at the bottom line of winning a dollar by drugs - found and out of the industry. We have to realise that not every mare goes in foal and not every foal is born alive. We have to understand that studs often have deaths from accident - not some sinister underlying story. We had the sad story from second coming about losing a filly to snake bite. A filly who to them was worth her weight in gold and hope for the future. Stop this undercutting and bickering and start fighting for these horses we all should love and admire. Many people here wouldn't know what to do without them and every person in Australia, whether they know it or not, would be poorer.
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bradjm
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says the guy whose stallions serve over 200 mares in a season
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bradjm
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referring to messara their :)
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furious
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Coolmore usually have Arrowfield in spade for numbers of foals by their sires bradjm.
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Tlazolteotl
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Is that right? Only 20% of thoroughbreds race as 2yos?
Do most of that 80% never race? You don't see many racehorses that didn't race at 2.
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acacia alba
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I am not taking sides here. I am just curious about the opposition to Messara,s ideas. He is a very cluey and innovative man, and a huge breeder, and he sees benefits in it.
I didnt get to hear any opposition spokes person,s side to it, but would be interested to.
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animals before people.
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Gay3
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Take a glance at all the short distance maiden fields at this time of the year, they're chokkas with 1st starters
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Tlazolteotl
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So why all the whinging about 2yo racing, when only 20% of them do it and they are the ones suited to it?
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furious
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The funny thing Gay3 is in England you can have three two year old races at one meeting (full of first time starters) any time after July - I download those races and grind my teeth when there are so many two year races as I know most wont be in the computors database and have to be loaded and linked. So they start them as two year olds. We aren't doing ourselves any service not doing so but I suppose an awful lot of them have trialled at two year olds which is better than nothing.
Funny thing if I protected a baby and didn't let it run around I'd be doing it a disservice. Bones need to be strengthened for the work they are going to do.
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Gay3
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They are furious, thru' gallops, jumpouts & trials, just not races. These days it's counter productive to start any horse unless it's a fair chance of gaining prizemoney because with 2 or 3 unplaced runs, they have buckleys of beating ballots thereafter.
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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furious
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Thanks gay
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maccamax
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EAT all wastage animals ... Problems solved.
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oneonesit
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How much longer am I in the dog box Macca ?
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Refer ALP Election Promises
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maccamax
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Yr out = mates to the end . Lend me a quid ? 1-1 " That is the end "
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bradjm
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Snitzel and Smart missile have both serve over 800 mares each in the last four seasons |
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djebel
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Thoroughbred racing is the rich mans game. The dish lickers are the poor mans game. Thoroughbred horse racing will not be shut down. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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troppo75
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you know what the problems with stats is?
if it shows up 1 horse died.. people will have something to hang outrage on... they get their 1 die on a racetrack via tv a week / two weeks.. that is enough, they can show that for the world.. give the bleeding hearts actual numbers in the range of 200 - 1000 and then you're dealing with a big mess.. A real messara |
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Now having passed 1000 posts I feel you are all so much the wiser for my having said... stuff!
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maccamax
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We will reach the stage where the law of the jungle will be the only judicial judgement accepted.
I have already promised myself that the first " Fool " who knocks on my door to tell me I'm not allowed to smoke inside my unit , in their community title complex .... Will be slaughtered for food for my dogs.
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Isaac soloman
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Trio charged for selling horsemeat as beefAAP Three men have been charged with fraud for allegedly selling horsemeat as beef in Britain in 2012. Eating horsemeat is culturally taboo in Britain and in 2013 the country's food industry was rocked by scandal when it emerged that horsemeat was being sold in some imported beef products. Investigations at the time found that companies including Britain's biggest supermarket Tesco and fast-food chain Burger King were selling beef products that contained horsemeat. The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said on Friday Ulrik Nielsen, Alex Ostler-Beech and Andronicos Sideras are accused of conspiring together and with others to sell as beef a mixture of what was in fact horsemeat and beef. The charges relate to activities between January and October of 2012 and follow an investigation by City of London Police. "After carefully considering evidence from the UK and overseas, the CPS has decided that there is sufficient evidence to provide a realistic prospect of conviction and it is in the public interest to charge these three men," the CPS said a statement. They will appear at City of London Magistrates Court on September 27. |
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maccamax
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Most living things are eaten somewhere in the world .
Even humans . Can you imagine a Sunday roast with Fiddles on the menu . HOW would they clean him .
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Carioca
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Have to turn the spit handle pretty quick Macca,.other wise he would eat all of the potatoes !
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Ticino
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Hello,
so it's a little wonder "Snitzel" didn't end up on human plates, (Tongue in Cheek). (Offtopic) Btw, his Name is misspelled something I offen see in typical "German words", correct it would be "Schnitzel", best known in Austria /German as "Wiener Schnitzel". You definitelity will find the recipe in a book about German Cooking. regards, Ticino
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Gay3
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Aussies are notorious for laziness Ticino & spelling how words sound that'll ruffle a few feathers I'm sure tho' I'm sure Fiddles will back me!!
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Ticino
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Hello, Gay,
meanwhile I know Aussie hardly open their mouth to keep out flies and midgets. Admittingly "German" is regarded even in Europe, one of the hardest to learn languages. In comparison is English easier especially, when I think of grammer. For example English you have a simple "The" (mother, father, child)and in German "der, die, das" (der Vater (male), die Mutter (female), das Kind (neuter)). Even as a German by birth, I was mis(treated) with German Grammer for many years. A great Story had been written by Mark Twain, the American Writer , about the "Terrible German Language", it's worth reading. regards, Ticino
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furious
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Brajam in response to the numbers of mares served to stallions Coolmore win hands down against Arrowfield.
Arrowfield Redoute's Choice three times champion sire 1701 foals over 15 years and 3 years above 200 mares Snitzel 1048 foals from 9 years and 4 seasons above 200 Not a Single Doubt 967 foals over 10 years and never over 200 the others in numbers are just also rans with numbers between 70 and 130 a season take Fastnet Rock from Coolmore he has 1603 foals over 10 years and 8 seasons above 200 mares served Encosta de Lago no longer serves but has 2046 foals from 18 years but his early years didn't see over 135 mares but had 6 seasons above 200 mares at Coolmore So You Think 404 foals over 3 years one over 200 Pierro 326 foals in two years one over 200 and one 199 Choisir 1486 foals over 12 years two years served over 200 mares So Redoute's has served 5 years more at stud of just over 100 more foals to Fastnet Rock
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furious
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Missed Smart Missile who has 479 foals over three years so that compares to Pierro's 326 over two years.
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furious
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And first season of Rubick at Coolmore saw him serve 214 mares to Smart Missiles first season of 196 mares. So still just below.
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3blindmice
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Revisiting after the 4C wimpout and found this. Sorry I didn't get back to you but the answer was already provided. As I said, racing's annual reports.
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djebel
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6% sounds like quite a lot to me.
If it is 10%, well that is even worse. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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