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Passing Through
Champion Joined: 09 Jan 2013 Location: At home Status: Offline Points: 79532 |
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Passing Through
Champion Joined: 09 Jan 2013 Location: At home Status: Offline Points: 79532 |
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From behind the barrier.
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ExceedAndExcel
Champion Joined: 20 Dec 2008 Status: Offline Points: 16245 |
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Retired now surely? Has been given so many chances.
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TJMitchell
Champion Joined: 29 Jun 2014 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 16917 |
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Nah, 8.8 ain't enough...back to the trials
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Gay3
Moderator Group Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Location: Miners Rest Status: Offline Points: 52012 |
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What a callous analogy
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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TJMitchell
Champion Joined: 29 Jun 2014 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 16917 |
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Or, it's like having a horse that's probably had enough
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anabel
Champion Joined: 29 Mar 2012 Location: VIC Status: Offline Points: 1521 |
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I wonder if stewards can just ban the horse, full stop.
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Lordy
Champion Joined: 22 May 2010 Location: Sunshine State Status: Offline Points: 13887 |
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That’s what I was thinking. Was barred pending successful trial. Failed to jump again. Is the bar simply indenifinte until he does eventually pass? |
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rem286
Champion Joined: 17 Mar 2015 Status: Offline Points: 767 |
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Sad way for a horse like him to end his career.
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3blindmice
Champion Joined: 22 Oct 2012 Status: Offline Points: 18105 |
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Muttering on SSR this morning that Chau must pass multiple trials to race in NSW
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Prince of Penzance
Champion Joined: 17 Jan 2018 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 1938 |
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I think they ended up banning Here De Angels didn’t they? Same as So Si Bon , he was banned unless they gelded him |
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VSP.
Premium Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 8350 |
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I was thinking the same thing - horrible way for a star to go out by being banned from racing.
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Prince of Penzance
Champion Joined: 17 Jan 2018 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 1938 |
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Goes back to original ban.
Has to pass 2 “consecutive” trials 1 jumpout and 1 trial will be accepted in Vic 2 trials in NSW |
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Baguette
Champion Joined: 18 Dec 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3651 |
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Chaut has just got it all worked out! Why bust a gut running around a track when if he just stands there he'll get taken back to his comfy stable and have a feed without doing any work at all. It probably goes back to being scratched at the barrier at MV that night , which would have put the idea in his head. I don't think anyone could be 100% sure he'd jump every time now no matter how much work you did with him.
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acacia alba
Champion Joined: 30 Oct 2010 Location: Hunter Valley Status: Offline Points: 41536 |
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I agree. Why dont the owners show some grace and let him go out in style, instead of like this ? He is making a fool of them all. He is smarter than they are.
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animals before people.
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marble
Champion Joined: 12 Jan 2008 Location: Brisbane Status: Offline Points: 6243 |
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i think it was worth giving him another go but surely now he is telling them he doesn't want to be there
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Bonfield
Champion Joined: 07 Nov 2013 Status: Offline Points: 10291 |
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So basically has to jump in two consecutive trials? Common sense suggests it's got to a stage where this would be insufficient.
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djebel
Premium Joined: 07 Mar 2007 Status: Offline Points: 53960 |
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If they're going to persist with Chautauqua they should trial him 3 times on raceday between races to see if the adrenaline of raceday gets him going.
8 o'clock in the morning with no atmosphere probably does nothing.
I say this only if they persist with him.
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reductio ad absurdum
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3blindmice
Champion Joined: 22 Oct 2012 Status: Offline Points: 18105 |
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No official requirement in NSW, and owners are likely to give him more chances according to this:
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Cityboy
Champion Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 873 |
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He’s not obviously in any pain so I can think of some worse ways to end a career. I actually quite like the way that he seems to be making the decision and controlling the end to his racing career. |
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Prince of Penzance
Champion Joined: 17 Jan 2018 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 1938 |
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Rupert Legh you are a flog, five official trials in a row he has done this now plus the couple of times in Melbourne
“If he does it once or twice more then we’ll sit down and make a good decision at the right time when there’s not the emotion running through the system |
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Prince of Penzance
Champion Joined: 17 Jan 2018 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 1938 |
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Just retire him already... if it was any other horse he would’ve been banished already.
Look at what happened to Survived on Saturday. |
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Sunline
Champion Joined: 01 Jul 2008 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 22302 |
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I don't see that as horrible. It's not what the horse is or what he achieved. What's horrible is this persistent attempt to ignore the messages the horse is sending, that he no longer wants to race. I'm not one for the animal activists by any stretch, and argue black and blue that the whip rule is a joke. But I draw the line at this stuff. The poor bugger doesn't want to race anymore after giving his all for years. Let him be.
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Sunline...simply supreme
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Prince of Penzance
Champion Joined: 17 Jan 2018 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 1938 |
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Wayne Hawkes phone interview to be on racing.com ch78 at 3.40pm eastern. So, two minutes
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VSP.
Premium Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 8350 |
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I meant the same thing as you Sunline - so unfair to put a great horse in a situation like this. He's not the problem, he's telling them & they are just not listening. And I think that is what is horrible - that stubborn connections are putting a black mark against a Champion who deserves better.
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Tlazolteotl
Champion Joined: 02 Oct 2012 Location: Elephant Butte Status: Offline Points: 31448 |
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I admire the sneaky grey bugger. Smarter than the average bear.
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Prince of Penzance
Champion Joined: 17 Jan 2018 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 1938 |
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Hawkes sounds like he wants to retire but other parties not so much.
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djebel
Premium Joined: 07 Mar 2007 Status: Offline Points: 53960 |
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Agreed. If the owners want to keep forking out for the horse to be prepared for barrier trials i do not see the problem. The horse is not being tortured. How somebody can compare it with Survived is just idiotic in the extreme. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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Gay3
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How is it any different? They're similar ages, both 'supposedly' perfectly sound. Survived & other race day/training fatalities underline the fact that no matter how many experts stress they are sound, no one is infallible. The only difference is the grey horse has worked out how to avoid breaking down irreparably.
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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djebel
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He could just as likely break a leg galloping in his paddock. It is a nonsense to compare them, it is hysterical nonsense. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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