I love it how fools can kept being fed by the same people that lied to them the first time.
The same people that used the idea that they were ''technical'' and therefore we should all freak out about Y2K, are the same that suggest we need fttp in order to survive.
The corporate plan released last year had a plan to get all on 50mpbs by 2019 and they are meeting their targets. as opposed the labor party's corporate plan that was 2 years behind schedule 3 years into it.
The lies fed to the stupid do not take into account the real improvements in the information that we see and that is the way data is broken down and rebuilt at the other end. how data is developed. the 4k footage that you can get now is not available because they invented it, it is because they figured out a way to get what was once a 160gb file to much smaller sizes that allows it tobe sent over
What is a great plan that aims to get the country connected to at least 50mbps and do it faster and if you are one of those 5 out of every 40,000 that want to pay for faster speeds than what the current fttx supplies, then you can pay for it.
The idea that you will want to delivery a solution that will cost twice as much and take twice as long(at best estimates), is the height of stupidity especialy when you have people on 6mpbs and less having to wait to get a decent connection.
There is a simple test to this, ifyou are told that the common house would notice a difference from using 25mpbs to 100mpbs, they are lying to u. if youbeleilveit, you are stupid.
Simple
"it's not gambling if you're absolutely sure you're gonna win" Barney Stinson
Negative GDP, we're all going to die soon from global warming, now Y2K. Does it get any better? Sure the headlines in the papers you get your in-depth information from might have been predicting the end of the world as we know it but if you delved a little deeper you might actually have not been quaking in your boots about Y2K. Because, while you were sleeping plenty of people were quietly going about the business of testing and updating their legacy systems. I'd give you some links but that would be futile. Seems the Murdoch press is succeeding with its aim of putting the wind up the ignorant.
FTTP/FTTN? Probably not much point in building any infrastructure given the Daesh death cult is coming to get us anyway.
I love it how fools can kept being fed by the same people that lied to them the first time.
The same people that used the idea that they were ''technical'' and therefore we should all freak out about Y2K, are the same that suggest we need fttp in order to survive.
The corporate plan released last year had a plan to get all on 50mpbs by 2019 and they are meeting their targets. as opposed the labor party's corporate plan that was 2 years behind schedule 3 years into it.
The lies fed to the stupid do not take into account the real improvements in the information that we see and that is the way data is broken down and rebuilt at the other end. how data is developed. the 4k footage that you can get now is not available because they invented it, it is because they figured out a way to get what was once a 160gb file to much smaller sizes that allows it tobe sent over
What is a great plan that aims to get the country connected to at least 50mbps and do it faster and if you are one of those 5 out of every 40,000 that want to pay for faster speeds than what the current fttx supplies, then you can pay for it.
The idea that you will want to delivery a solution that will cost twice as much and take twice as long(at best estimates), is the height of stupidity especialy when you have people on 6mpbs and less having to wait to get a decent connection.
There is a simple test to this, ifyou are told that the common house would notice a difference from using 25mpbs to 100mpbs, they are lying to u. if youbeleilveit, you are stupid.
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you certainly fill the bill
this crows that excites you have lied from day 1 faster sooner cheaper lies lies and more lies and you don't see it ? amazing
Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull has achieved a major milestone with the launch last week of NBN Co’s Fibre-on-Demand (FOD) offering. Turnbull’s pre-election commitment to provide a pathway from copper to fibre has been achieved but the cost of payingto have the fibre rolled to the premises has blown out to a fearsome extent.
FOD will be out of bounds for the majority of taxpayers aye Q ?
news Treasurer Joe Hockey has stated that the Government is spending about $70 billion building its version of the National Broadband Network, in comments which appear to run contrary to existing estimates about the Government’s investment in the project.
With video streaming now accounting for at least 64 percent of all Internet traffic,
it should have come as no surprise to Australia’s ISPs that as data caps are eased and popular online video services like Netflix arrive, traffic spikes would occur on their networks as well.
Conservative critics slammed the NBN as a fiscal “white elephant” that would duplicate or overrun private investment and saddle taxpayers with the construction costs. In the run up to the federal election of 2013, critics proposed to scale back the NBN as a provider of last resort that would only offer service where others did not. Others suggested a scaled-down network would be more fiscally responsible. After the votes were counted, a Coalition government was formed, run by the conservative Liberal and National parties. Within weeks, they downsized the NBN and replaced most of its governing board.
Plans for a national fiber to the home network similar to Verizon FiOS were dropped, replaced with fiber to the neighborhood technology somewhat comparable to AT&T U-verse or Bell Fibe. Instead of gigabit fiber, Australians would rely on a motley mix of technologies including wireless broadband, DSL, VDSL, cable, and in areas where the work had begun under the earlier government, a limited amount of fiber.
Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull has admitted the new NBN will not be able to deliver 25Mbps service to all Australians by 2016. Only 43 percent of the country will get that speed, partly because of technical compromises engineers have been forced to make to accommodate the legacy copper network that isn’t going anywhere.
The need for further upgrades as a result of traffic growth breaks another firm commitment from the conservative government.
NBN executive chairman Ziggy Switkowski told reporters in 2013 that technology used in the NBN would not need to be upgraded for at least five years after construction.
“The NBN would not need to upgraded sooner than five years of construction of the first access technology,” Switkowski said. “It is economically more efficient to upgrade over time rather than build a future-proof technology in a field where fast-changing technology is the norm.”
Since Switkowski made that statement two years ago, other providers around the world have gravitated towards fiber optics, believing its capacity and upgradability makes it the best future-proof technology available to handle the kind of traffic growth also now being seen in Australia. At the start of 2015, 315,000 Australians were signed up for online video services. Today, more than two million subscribe, with Netflix adding more than a million customers in less than four months after it launched down under.
online viewing has created problems for several ISPs, especially during peak usage times. iiNet reports up to 25% of all its network traffic now comes from Netflix. As a result iiNet is accelerating network upgrades.
Customers still reliant on the NBN’s partial copper network are also reporting slowdowns, especially in the evening. The NBN will have to upgrade its backbone connection as well as the last mile connection it maintains with customers who often share access through a DSLAM. The more customers use their connections for Netflix, the greater the likelihood of congestion slowdowns until capacity upgrades are completed.
Optus worries its customers have extended Internet peak time usage by almost 90 minutes each night as they watch online streaming instead of free-to-air TV. Telstra adds it also faces a strain from “well over half” of the traffic on its network now consisting of video content.
This may explain why Internet entrepreneur and NBN co-board director Simon Hackett wishes the fiber to the neighborhood technology would disappear and be replaced by true fiber to the home service.
“It sucks,” Hackett told an audience at the Rewind/Fast Forward event in Sydney in March, referring to the fiber to the neighborhood technology. His mission is to try and make the government’s priority for cheaper broadband infrastructure “as least worse as possible.”
“Fiber-to the-[neighborhood] is the least-exciting part of the current policy, no arguments,” he added. “If I could wave a wand, it’s the bit I’d erase.”
Another cost of the Coalition government’s slimmed-down Internet expansion is already clear.
Some experts fear costs will continue to rise as the government eventually recognizes its budget-priced NBN is saddled with obsolete technology that will need expensive upgrades sooner than most think.
Instead of staying focused on fiber optics, technology the former Rudd government suggested would offer Australians gigabit speeds almost immediately and would have plenty of capacity for traffic, the conservative, constrained, “more affordable” NBN is leaving many customers with no better than 12Mbps with a future promise to deliver 50Mbps some day. There is little value for money from that.
news A group of major Australian telcos have issued a fiery statement damning Malcolm Turnbull’s Department of Communications for its “extraordinary” attempt to support Telstra’s profitability and keep telecommunications prices from dropping.
In late June, the ACCC made a draft determination on pricing for a certain number of fixed-line telecommunications services, revealing that it had decided Telstra would need to issue a 9.6 percent drop in prices to its wholesale customers. This could mean that broadband providers such as Optus, iiNet and TPG could cut their prices substantially.
This week it was revealed that Turnbull’s Department of Communications had written to the ACCC arguing that the decision was flawed.
The Department argued that customers would not switch to the NBN when the new infrastructure is rolled out in their area because they will be paying higher prices than they were on the old infrastructure. It also arguied that broadband providers themselves might delay migrating their customers as they could obtain higher margins through keeping customers on the old legacy copper infrastructure. Telstra agreed with this line.
In a statement issued yesterday, the Competitive Carriers Coalition, a group representing Vodafone, iiNet, Macquarie Telecom, Nextgen Networks and Mynetphone, came down heavily on the department’s letter, labelling it as “extraordinary, unwelcome, unwarranted” and setting a “dangerous precedent”.
“For a Government department to be calling for higher prices for ordinary consumers, and against the interests of competition, is surely a first at the Federal level [and] raises serious question marks about their ability to maximise the opportunities of the digital revolution,” the group said.
“For it to be doing so in the context of fixed line communications services, where Australia has the national disgrace of the highest prices in the developed world, beggars belief. Yet here is a Government Department intervening to tell an independent pricing agency to throw out the result of a two year inquiry because it does not want prices to fall.”
"I don't know what [the government] is doing on the other policy fronts but on this they've completely stuffed it," he said. "More and more Australians will leave the country looking for jobs and you'll continue to be a resource based economy – the hope of building IT jobs and a digital economy will kind of be more difficult to achieve.
It doesn't seem that long ago the Lib Party mantra was that Labor's NBN was rolling out too slow, costs were blowing out and that the Libs would fix it.
They fixed it alright, costs blowing out beyond Labor's costs, rollout slowing to a crawl and all for a snail paced service compared to Labors FTTH
Rupert got his moneys worth with this mob, at our and our kids expense.
The Abbott Coalition government came to power two years ago this week with a promise to change Labor’s fibre to the premises (FTTP) National Broadband Network (NBN) to one using less-expensive fibre-to-the-node (FTTN) technologies, spruiking its network with the three-word slogan: “Fast. Affordable. Sooner.”
But with the release in August of the 2016 NBN corporate plan and in the light of overseas developments, it is clear that the Coalition’s broadband network will not provide adequate bandwidth, will be no more affordable than Labor’s FTTP network and will take almost as long to roll out.
funding estimates for the NBN from December 2010 to August 2015. Labor’s funding estimates for its FTTP NBN rose from A$40.9 billion in December 2010 to A$44.9 billion in September 2013, an increase of 10%. By comparison, the Coalition’s funding estimates, both for FTTP and the so-called multi-technology mix (MTM), have fluctuated wildly.
The estimated funding required for the Coalition’s NBN has almost doubled from A$28.5 billion before the 2013 election to between A$46 billion and A$56 billion in August. Before the 2013 election, the Coalition claimed that its proposed multi-technology-mix network would cost less than one-third (30%) of Labor’s FTTP-based NBN.
But in new estimates released in the 2016 corporate plan, the cost of the multi-technology mix favoured by the Coalition blew out and rose to two-thirds (66%) of the cost of a FTTP-based network.
Also, the cost of repairing and maintaining Telstra’s ageing copper network was likely underestimated, as was the cost of retraining and maintaining a workforce with the wider range of skills needed to install and maintain the multi-technology-mix network — costs that are unique to the MTM.
In the space of two years, the lower-cost deal the Coalition spruiked to Australian voters has turned out to be not so affordable after all.
n 2009, Ookla ranked Australia’s average broadband download speed as 39th in the world. Since then, our international ranking has steadily declined and slipped to 59th place earlier this year.
What’s worse, my studies of trends in internet speed in Australia and in a range of developed and developing countries show that FTTN technology — a key part of the Coalition’s MTM — will not be enough to meet the needs of Australian broadband customers.
In short, FTTN technology will cement Australia’s place as an internet backwater. Our world ranking could fall as low as 100th by 2020.
n many forward-looking nations, fibre-to-the-node technology has never been entertained as an option. In some countries where it has been installed, network operators are planning to move away from FTTN in favour of more advanced broadband technologies like FTTP. In doing the opposite, Australia is moving backwards.
If FTTN magically appeared on our doorsteps by 2016, as originally promised by the Coalition, there would certainly be a short-term advantage. But the 2016 target has been missed and the FTTN component of the network will be obsolete by the time the rollout is completed.
If in 2013 the Coalition had simply allowed NBN Co to get on with the job of rolling out its fibre-to-the-premises NBN, rather than changing it to an inferior multi-technology mix, it may well have ended up spending less money and delivered Australia a much better network.
The Coalition sold the Australian public a product that was supposed to be fast, one-third the cost and arrive sooner than what Labor was offering us. Instead the Coalition’s NBN will be so slow that it is obsolete by the time it’s in place, it will cost about the same as Labor’s fibre-to-the-premises NBN, and it won’t arrive on our doorsteps much sooner.
ANATIONAL CARRIER PIDGEON network (NCPN) is planning to give the Abbott government’s National Broadband Network a run for its money. Using a team of nearly a thousand homing birds, the NCPN says it will provide a more reliable and cheaper communications service which will be available to Australians much sooner than the proposed fibre-to-node plan.
“At the moment, we plan to use the birds to carry a 64GB USB flash drive between us and our clients,” said NCPN programme director Clark Bellern. “Once the bird arrives back from the client, we will pop the USB in the mail and send it on to wherever it needs to go.”
This bold and drastic new plan comes after continued delays and setbacks associated with the current Turnbull-endorsed scheme, which has come under fire from every direction. Since winning power two years ago, the government has repeatedly ignored the advice of experts and digital architects – choosing only to listen to their accountants.
Clark Bellern launched his pigeon network today in a series of bold and daring stunts, which he says proves that his network will be far superior to the NBN.
“One of our launch partners, Beetlefield Radiology, gave us the task of sending a series of medical images from Sydney to Perth today,” he said. “I’m pleased to say that Derek, one of our fastest pigeons, picked up the USB loaded with the files and arrived back at our processing centre just moments ago. The USB is now on its way to Perth via registered post,”
“It’ll be there on Friday… maybe Monday. I dunno.”
The move toward homing pigeons comes at a time in Australian history where every day is a flashback Thursday. Just yesterday, the government breathed fresh air into its immigration policy by planning to implement policy that was popular during the First World War – which incidently was the golden age of the carrier pigeon.
However, the NCPN has been slapped with a legal challenge by the communications department, saying that the scheme doesn’t have the required licencing to begin operating as a communications entity. In response to the expected rise in pigeon air traffic, the department has entered into a de facto agreementwith the defence force to shoot homing pigeons out of the skies.
“I can confirm that enforcement officers will be patrolling known pigeon routes,” said Captian Daniel Clock from Sydney’s Victoria Barracks. “If I or any of my team see a pigeon flying overhead with a USB tied to its feet, we will commence a surface-to-air engagement,”
The High Court challenge against the government is rumoured to have been bankrolled by commentating pigeon magnate Bill Lawry, who loves pigeons.
TBV - where it is the Silly Season all year round.
Your lamp or baby monitor is responsible for slow broadband, Ofcom says
Millions of households hit by slow Internet because their routers are placed too close to lamps and other electronical equipment, telecoms regulator claims
Our broadband is slow because we had a 19th century centric govt that thought they could save us a few dollars by giving us sh*t broadband. It has ended up costing $20billion more than they claimed and we not have sh*t broadband and a bigger debt
Microwave ovens and phone chargers are also supposed to slow down speed
When as a minister you bumble and lie around your portfolio, it comes back to bite you
The Optus cable TV and broadband network bought by the National Broadband Network for $800 million is in such poor condition the NBN is considering replacing it entirely.
I see today he has rewarded his dept head in Communications by making him his chief of staff on $700k a year. He did a great job cutting the NBN off at the knees as instructed, we will see what damage he can do in the PM Office
While the government has denied that it is negotiating with Telstra and others with a view to them taking over the NBN, it is unfortunately beginning to make sense to start such discussions. Denials and promises from the government are never ironclad and we know they can take a great deal of liberty with the so-called ‘economic truth’. The sale of the NBN was already on the table back in 2011, in the very early discussions of the then Opposition’s plan for the national network.
What is worrying – and could indeed indicate that the end of the NBN as we know it is on the table – is that even after 2 years the PM continues to blame the previous government for his own NBN troubles; and despite his repeated promises of delivering his version cheaper and faster we now have a delay of 2 years, with cost blowouts being reported at regular intervals. This is all very much along the lines of the BuddeComm commentary since, in his function as Opposition Minister for Communications, the Prime Minister started to talk about his plans for the NBN back in 2011.
he didn’t mention the NBN in his policy statements to kick-start innovation and new start-ups in the booming ICT industry (I acknowledge Leigh Sales for bringing up the NBN in the 7.30 Report on the ABC). This is understandable as, based on his own statements, the FttH would be the better solution, but according to his words something we can’t afford.. He knows that the multi-technology mix is not going to cut it when you want to boost innovation and create a ‘silicon valley’ Down-Under.
If he believes in his version of the NBN he would have used it as a spearhead of his innovation policy, since in the end this policy should be all about implementing the innovations that are already available to us and the many others that will be developed in the future – most of which will be centred on accessibility, distribution, interconnectivity, cloud computing and data analytics. In short, they all depend on a first-class digital infrastructure to deliver innovations to businesses and the broader Australian society (medicine, education, agriculture, energy, mining and so on).
He is continually saying that Australian people are smart – and that is true – he is fully aware that the majority of the people in Australia don’t support his financial concerns re the NBN. Instead they would like to see a first-class broadband network rather than a second-class one. Do it once and do it right. The fact that he doesn’t mention the NBN is another indication that he doesn’t seem to believe in it,
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