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Geraldo
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Posted: 12 Sep 2014 at 12:42am |
On quirks, the fillies Sea Of Approval and Ambivalent both wear hoods.
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Posted: 12 Sep 2014 at 1:37am |
Back to the original post of "bred to stay" and why Australian racing/owners/trainers don't seem to embrace breeding stayers, it's not hard to work out.
Our filly will have her first start on Saturday as a 3yo. The "owners" who are racing her have only been paying since Feb this year, so the cost of the broodmare, service fee, agistment as a young horse, the breaking in, the insurance and every other cost you can imagine has already been covered.
Without those expenses it has cost $20,000 to get her to the races! And the expectation is that we'll only have a run or two and she'll be out for another spell with an autumn campaign in mind. If she'd been a precocious 2yo Magic Millions sprinter it would have been half that with the added bonus of the possibility of a cheque or two. But where's the fun in that?
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Posted: 12 Sep 2014 at 7:57am |
If they race at 3, the cost can be anywhere up to $50- 60k before having their first start. That is a massive amount of input costs!
2 city wins in its first prep may get you to about breakeven.....how hard is that!
Assumes u r paying for agistment. One of the reasons I am looking at NZ. Agistment costs are half that of Aus.
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Posted: 12 Sep 2014 at 7:58am |
I also don't find much fun in racing the teenager!
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Posted: 11 Feb 2015 at 8:14pm |
I'm very keen on Last Wish in the first at Randwick. They bet $8.00 early, now $6.50 is best.
By Guillotine (Montjeu) out of a Zabeel mare. Doesn't get much stouter than that!
Trained by top trainer Tony McEvoy and last start easy winner over 2400m. I expect him to improve a couple of lengths off that run.
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Posted: 11 Feb 2015 at 8:15pm |
2nd race
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Posted: 11 Feb 2015 at 8:16pm |
Only danger is favourite Georgey Aeroplane.
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Posted: 11 Feb 2015 at 8:39pm |
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Only danger is favourite Georgey Aeroplane. |
Koroibete will be very hard to beat if Fuerza doesn't back up.
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Posted: 11 Feb 2015 at 8:46pm |
Look at this pedigree. Why was he gelded ?
Why does it seem he is a sprinter ?
Medaglia d'Oro (USA) 1999, db | El Prado (IRE) 1989, gr | Sadler's Wells (USA) 1981, b [CS] | Northern Dancer (CAN) 1961, b [BC] | Nearctic (CAN) , 1954, br | Natalma (USA) , 1957, b | Fairy Bridge (USA) 1975, b | Bold Reason (USA) , 1968, b | Special (USA) , 1969, b | Lady Capulet (USA) 1974, ro | Sir Ivor (USA) 1965, b [IC] | Sir Gaylord (USA) , 1959, db [IC] | Attica (USA) , 1953, ch | Cap And Bells (USA) 1958, gr | Tom Fool (USA) , 1949, b [IC] | Ghazni (USA) , 1942, gr | Cappucino Bay (USA) 1989, b | Bailjumper (USA) 1974, b | Damascus (USA) 1964, b [IC] | Sword Dancer (USA) , 1956, ch | Kerala (USA) , 1958, b | Court Circuit (USA) 1964, b | Royal Vale (GB) , 1948, br | Cycle (USA) , 1958, db | Dubbed In (USA) 1973, ch | Silent Screen (USA) 1967, ch | Prince John (USA) , 1953, ch [C] | Prayer Bell (USA) , 1954, b | Society Singer (USA) 1968, ch | Restless Wind (USA) , 1956, ch | Social Position (USA) , 1964, ch | Dawn Attack (IRE) 2003, b | Fantastic Light (USA) 1996, b | Rahy (USA) 1985, ch | Blushing Groom (FR) 1974, ch [BC] | Red God (USA) , 1954, ch | Runaway Bride (GB) , 1962, b | Glorious Song (CAN) 1976, b | Halo (USA) , 1969, db [BC] | Ballade (USA) , 1972, db | Jood (USA) 1989, b | Nijinsky (CAN) 1967, b [CS] | Northern Dancer (CAN) , 1961, b [BC] | Flaming Page (USA) , 1959, b | Kamar (CAN) 1976, b | Key To The Mint (USA) , 1969, b [BC] | Square Angel (CAN) , 1970, b | Sabaah (USA) 1988, ch | Nureyev (USA) 1977, b [C] | Northern Dancer (CAN) 1961, b [BC] | Nearctic (CAN) , 1954, br | Natalma (USA) , 1957, b | Special (USA) 1969, b | Forli (ARG) , 1963, ch [C] | Thong (USA) , 1964, b | Dish Dash (GB) 1979, b | Bustino (GB) 1971, b | Busted (GB) , 1963, b [S] | Ship Yard (GB) , 1963, ch | Loose Cover (GB) 1963, b | Venture VII (GB) , 1957, b | Nymphet (GB) , 1958, ch |
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Posted: 11 Feb 2015 at 9:19pm |
Sneck wrote:
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Only danger is favourite Georgey Aeroplane. | Koroibete will be very hard to beat if Fuerza doesn't back up. |
Your logic being he's better when he leads? Maybe, but I think he's just unreliable.
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Posted: 11 Feb 2015 at 9:42pm |
Bonfield wrote:
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Only danger is favourite Georgey Aeroplane. | Koroibete will be very hard to beat if Fuerza doesn't back up. |
Your logic being he's better when he leads? Maybe, but I think he's just unreliable. |
He didn't like being boxed up last start.
When he jumped from in distance he was good.
2000>2000>2400 off a 7 day back up.
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Posted: 12 Feb 2015 at 7:47am |
Yeah, I don't disagree with your logic. I was on him last start and wasn't happy they didn't try harder to lead. Still, earlier in his career he won from behind. I just think he's not genuine.
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Posted: 12 Feb 2015 at 2:14pm |
The Godolphin filly Liturgy having a third run at 1200m. Should be a 1600-2000m horse??
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TBV - where it is the Silly Season all year round.
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Posted: 12 Feb 2015 at 2:16pm |
Think something went wrong with her coming around the bend.
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Posted: 13 Mar 2015 at 1:17pm |
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Another one likely to be wasted in Australia.
You can not say Darley are not attempting to breed longer distance horses.
This is also in the maiden race that Esteemed Elegance kicks off her career.
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Despite both showing ample speed in their early careers they are both it seems struggling to reach their potential.
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Posted: 23 Apr 2015 at 4:35pm |
Is there an Aussie horse more bred to stay than Zatopaz? By Zabeel out of a Prized mare and granddam by Noble Bijou. Zatopaz is a half brother to Nom Du Jeu (won AJC Derby). His dam, Prized Gem, won the Brisbane Cup when it was still a G1 run over 3200m.
Remains to be seen how much ability Zatopaz has, but he has steadily improved in his 6 start career and won his first start recently at Gosford over 2600m.
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Posted: 23 Apr 2015 at 4:40pm |
Zatopaz steps up sharply in grade to the St Leger over 2800m at Flemington on Saturday. One thing's for sure he will run the trip stronger than most.
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Posted: 04 Dec 2015 at 4:44pm |
djebel wrote:
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Tavistock (NZ) Bay 2005 | Montjeu Bay 1996 | Sadler's Wells Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Fairy Bridge Bay 1975 | Bold Reason Special | 1968 1969 | 19-b 5-h | Floripedes Bay 1985 | Top Ville Bay 1976 | High Top Sega Ville | 1969 1968 | 11-a 8-i | Toute Cy Bay 1979 | Tennyson Adele Toumignon | 1970 1971 | 1-t 1-u | Upstage Bay 1998 | Quest for Fame Bay or brown 1987 | Rainbow Quest Bay 1981 | Blushing Groom I Will Follow | 1974 1975 | 22-d 14-f | Aryenne Bay 1977 | Green Dancer Americaine | 1972 1968 | 16-c 4-i | Pedestal Chestnut 1986 | High Line Chestnut 1966 | High Hat Time Call | 1957 1955 | 2-o 5-e | Mrs Moss Chestnut 1969 | Reform Golden Plate | 1964 1964 | 5-h 14-b | Penny Bright (NZ) Brown 2006 | Pentire Bay 1992 | Be My Guest Chestnut 1974 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | What a Treat Bay or brown 1962 | Tudor Minstrel Rare Treat | 1944 1952 | 9-c 8-c | Gull Nook Bay 1983 | Mill Reef Bay 1968 | Never Bend Milan Mill | 1960 1962 | 19-b 22-d | Bempton Bay 1976 | Blakeney Hardiemma | 1966 1969 | 20-c 1-l | Bright Beauty Brown 1998 | O'Reilly Brown 1993 | Last Tycoon Bay or brown 1983 | Try My Best Mill Princess | 1975 1977 | 8-f 8-c | Courtza Bay 1986 | Pompeii Court Hunza | 1977 1970 | 1-p 13-b | Splash of Beauty Chestnut 1990 | Luskin Star Chestnut 1974 | Kaoru Star Promising | 1965 1968 | 31> 2-e | Vanotrice Bay 1980 | Vain Toltrice | 1966 1969 | A10 43> |
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Just ran behind the placings in the 900m 2yo scamper at Sandown. Bound to improve over further. Oaks filly.
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Does anybody know Paul Rocke the trainer of this filly ?
He had her nominated for a listed 1200m at Flemington on Saturday but chose instead to run her over a 1000m at Cranbourne on Friday night.
Despite the massive class difference I would have preferred to see her in the Flemington race.
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Her progeny will be good value when she is retired to stud.
She has been butchered as a racehorse and as such has not reached and will not reach her full potential meaning her foals will be cheaper when sold at sales.
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HIGH SPIRIT (AUS) | Bay colt 2012 | |
High Chaparral Bay 1999 | Sadler's Wells Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Brown 1954 | Nearco Lady Angela | 1935 1944 | 4-r 14-c | Natalma Bay 1957 | Native Dancer Almahmoud | 1950 1947 | 5-f 2-d | Fairy Bridge Bay 1975 | Bold Reason Bay 1968 | Hail to Reason Lalun | 1958 1952 | 4-n 19-b | Special Bay 1969 | Forli Thong | 1963 1964 | 3-b 5-h | Kasora Brown 1993 | Darshaan Brown 1981 | Shirley Heights Bay 1975 | Mill Reef Hardiemma | 1968 1969 | 22-d 1-l | Delsy Brown 1972 | Abdos Kelty | 1959 1965 | 1-e 13-c | Kozana Brown 1982 | Kris Chestnut 1976 | Sharpen Up Doubly Sure | 1969 1971 | 5-i 2-o | Koblenza Brown 1966 | Hugh Lupus Kalimara | 1952 1960 | 19> 1-n | Azumi Bay 2005 | Encosta de Lago Bay 1993 | Fairy King Bay 1982 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Fairy Bridge Bay 1975 | Bold Reason Special | 1968 1969 | 19-b 5-h | Shoal Creek Chestnut 1988 | Star Way Chestnut 1977 | Star Appeal New Way | 1970 1970 | 5-d 6-e | Rolls Chestnut 1984 | Mr Prospector Grand Luxe | 1970 1974 | 13-c 4-g | Oceanfast Bay 1995 | Monde Bleu Bay 1988 | Last Tycoon Bay or brown 1983 | Try My Best Mill Princess | 1975 1977 | 8-f 8-c | Make Plans Bay 1971 | Go Marching Sister Antoine | 1965 1957 | 16-g 4-r | Affluent Bay 1983 | Shirley Heights Bay 1975 | Mill Reef Hardiemma | 1968 1969 | 22-d 1-l | Marcela Chestnut 1972 | Reform Caramel | 1964 1964 | 5-h 19-a |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 3m x 4m | | Fairy Bridge | 3m x 4m | | Shirley Heights | 4m x 4f |
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LIKE YOU LOOK (AUS) | Chestnut colt 2012 | |
Lookin at Lucky Bay 2007 | Smart Strike Bay 1992 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Chestnut 1961 | Native Dancer Raise You | 1950 1946 | 5-f 8-f | Gold Digger Bay 1962 | Nashua Sequence | 1952 1946 | 3-m 13-c | Classy 'n Smart Bay 1981 | Smarten Bay or brown 1976 | Cyane Smartaire | 1959 1962 | 16-b A13 | No Class Bay 1974 | Nodouble Classy Quillo | 1965 1969 | A1 23-b | Private Feeling Bay 1999 | Belong to Me Bay or brown 1989 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Belonging Bay 1979 | Exclusive Native Straight Deal | 1965 1962 | 10-a 1-s | Regal Feeling Bay 1986 | Clever Trick Bay or brown 1976 | Icecapade Kankakee Miss | 1969 1967 | 8-c 9> | Sharp Belle Roan 1975 | Native Charger Sleek Dancer | 1962 1968 | 8-h 9-f | Embraceable You Bay 1998 | Rodrigo de Triano Chestnut 1989 | El Gran Senor Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Sex Appeal Chestnut 1970 | Buckpasser Best in Show | 1963 1965 | 1-s 8-f | Hot Princess Chestnut 1980 | Hot Spark Chestnut 1972 | Habitat Garvey Girl | 1966 1960 | 4-r 1-n | Aspara Chestnut 1972 | Crimson Satan Courtside | 1959 1965 | 26> 20-a | Coutet Bay 1987 | Nuage d'Or Chestnut 1982 | Nijinsky Bay 1967 | Northern Dancer Flaming Page | 1961 1959 | 2-d 8-f | Exotic Treat Chestnut 1971 | Vaguely Noble Rare Treat | 1965 1952 | 1-d 8-c | Tiffany Rose Grey 1970 | Sovereign Edition Grey 1962 | Sovereign Path Latest Edition | 1956 1951 | 4-l 13-a | Phareno Bay 1963 | Pharamond Centeno | 1957 1949 | 1-w 11-b |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 5m x 4m,5m |
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Posted: 31 Dec 2015 at 11:54am |
Like You Look, unplaced R2 Echuca this morning.
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Posted: 09 Feb 2017 at 12:48pm |
Debuts over 1200m in NZ in a few minutes.
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Pour Moi Bay 2008 | Montjeu Bay 1996 | Sadler's Wells Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Fairy Bridge Bay 1975 | Bold Reason Special | 1968 1969 | 19-b 5-h | Floripedes Bay 1985 | Top Ville Bay 1976 | High Top Sega Ville | 1969 1968 | 11-a 8-i | Toute Cy Bay 1979 | Tennyson Adele Toumignon | 1970 1971 | 1-t 1-u | Gwynn Bay 1997 | Darshaan Brown 1981 | Shirley Heights Bay 1975 | Mill Reef Hardiemma | 1968 1969 | 22-d 1-l | Delsy Brown 1972 | Abdos Kelty | 1959 1965 | 1-e 13-c | Victoress Bay 1984 | Conquistador Cielo Bay 1979 | Mr Prospector K D Princess | 1970 1971 | 13-c 8-h | Royal Statute Bay 1969 | Northern Dancer Queen's Statute | 1961 1954 | 2-d 22-b | Lioness Chestnut 2001 | Generous Chestnut 1988 | Caerleon Bay 1980 | Nijinsky Bay 1967 | Northern Dancer Flaming Page | 1961 1959 | 2-d 8-f | Foreseer Bay or brown 1969 | Round Table Regal Gleam | 1954 1964 | 2-f 1-s | Doff the Derby Bay 1981 | Master Derby Chestnut 1972 | Dust Commander Madam Jerry | 1967 1961 | 3-j 1-l | Margarethen Bay or brown 1962 | Tulyar Russ-Marie | 1949 1956 | 22-a 4-n | Blue Satin Chestnut 1989 | Pompeii Court Bay 1977 | Tell Bay 1966 | Round Table Nas-Mahal | 1954 1959 | 2-f 2-f | Port Damascus Bay 1971 | Damascus Paris Pike | 1964 1957 | 8-h 1-p | Blue Denim Bay 1975 | A Chara Bay 1966 | Worden Cannon Ball | 1949 1959 | 13-c 3-o | Blue Carlyle Bay 1969 | Crest of the Wave Delph Blue | 1961 1961 | 1-e 14-e |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 4m,5f x 5m | | Round Table | x 5f,5m |
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SHAKARL (AUS) | Bay colt 2012 | |
Nadeem Bay or brown 2003 | Redoute's Choice Bay 1996 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Spring Adieu | 1968 1974 | 4-d 2-d | Shantha's Choice Bay 1992 | Canny Lad Brown 1987 | Bletchingly Jesmond Lass | 1970 1975 | 7-a 14> | Dancing Show Bay 1983 | Nijinsky Show Lady | 1967 1976 | 8-f 8-f | Candide Bay 1984 | Sound Reason Bay or brown 1974 | Bold Reason Bay 1968 | Hail to Reason Lalun | 1958 1952 | 4-n 19-b | New Tune Bay 1968 | New Providence Song of Victory | 1956 1962 | 9-d 21-a | Country Flower Brown 1972 | Oncidium Bay 1961 | Alcide Malcolmia | 1955 1952 | 2-f 16-b | Country Girl Brown 1963 | Agricola Minaea | 1956 1956 | 1-w 18> | Shashzaya Chestnut 1998 | Ashkalani Chestnut 1993 | Soviet Star Bay 1984 | Nureyev Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Special | 1961 1969 | 2-d 5-h | Veruschka Bay 1967 | Venture Marie d'Anjou | 1957 1954 | 7> 9-f | Ashtarka Grey 1987 | Dalsaan Bay 1977 | Habitat Dumka | 1966 1971 | 4-r 21-a | Asharaz Grey 1967 | Sicambre Vareta | 1948 1953 | 7-e 11-g | Shashna Bay 1982 | Blakeney Bay 1966 | Hethersett Bay 1959 | Hugh Lupus Bride Elect | 1952 1952 | 19> 21-a | Windmill Girl Bay 1961 | Hornbeam Chorus Beauty | 1953 1952 | 1-p 20-c | Shamim Chestnut 1968 | Le Haar Chestnut 1954 | Vieux Manoir Mince Pie | 1947 1949 | 10-e 20-a | Diamond Drop Chestnut 1963 | Charlottesville Martine | 1957 1952 | 14-a 3-o |
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Pour Moi (IRE) Bay 2008 | Montjeu Bay 1996 | Sadler's Wells Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Fairy Bridge Bay 1975 | Bold Reason Special | 1968 1969 | 19-b 5-h | Floripedes Bay 1985 | Top Ville Bay 1976 | High Top Sega Ville | 1969 1968 | 11-a 8-i | Toute Cy Bay 1979 | Tennyson Adele Toumignon | 1970 1971 | 1-t 1-u | Gwynn Bay 1997 | Darshaan Brown 1981 | Shirley Heights Bay 1975 | Mill Reef Hardiemma | 1968 1969 | 22-d 1-l | Delsy Brown 1972 | Abdos Kelty | 1959 1965 | 1-e 13-c | Victoress Bay 1984 | Conquistador Cielo Bay 1979 | Mr Prospector K D Princess | 1970 1971 | 13-c 8-h | Royal Statute Bay 1969 | Northern Dancer Queen's Statute | 1961 1954 | 2-d 22-b | Dominique (NZ) Bay or brown 2000 | Zabeel Bay 1986 | Sir Tristram Bay 1971 | Sir Ivor Bay 1965 | Sir Gaylord Attica | 1959 1953 | 2-s 8-g | Isolt Bay 1961 | Round Table All My Eye | 1954 1954 | 2-f 6-e | Lady Giselle Bay 1982 | Nureyev Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Special | 1961 1969 | 2-d 5-h | Valderna Bay 1972 | Val de Loir Derna | 1959 1961 | 5-h 16-c | Prieur Way Bay 1990 | Star Way Chestnut 1977 | Star Appeal Bay 1970 | Appiani Sterna | 1963 1960 | 4-f 5-d | New Way Chestnut 1970 | Klairon New Move | 1952 1958 | 1-w 6-e | Regal Spy Brown 1983 | Sir Ivor Bay 1965 | Sir Gaylord Attica | 1959 1953 | 2-s 8-g | Belles Oreilles Chestnut 1968 | Nentego Shining Sun | 1962 1962 | 8-g 4-j |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 4m,5f x 5m | | Special | 5f x 5m | | Sir Ivor | x 4m,4f |
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Race 1 Wagga
New Approach (IRE) Chestnut 2005 | Galileo Bay 1998 | Sadler's Wells Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Fairy Bridge Bay 1975 | Bold Reason Special | 1968 1969 | 19-b 5-h | Urban Sea Chestnut 1989 | Miswaki Chestnut 1978 | Mr Prospector Hopespringseternal | 1970 1971 | 13-c 16-g | Allegretta Chestnut 1978 | Lombard Anatevka | 1967 1969 | 1-d 9-h | Park Express Bay or brown 1983 | Ahonoora Chestnut 1975 | Lorenzaccio Chestnut 1965 | Klairon Phoenissa | 1952 1951 | 1-w 5-h | Helen Nichols Chestnut 1966 | Martial Quaker Girl | 1957 1961 | 2-e 1-m | Matcher Brown 1966 | Match Brown 1958 | Tantieme Relance | 1947 1952 | 20-a 16-g | Lachine Bay 1960 | Grey Sovereign Loved One | 1948 1947 | 6-f 19-b | Wild Iris (AUS) Bay 2000 | Spectrum Bay 1992 | Rainbow Quest Bay 1981 | Blushing Groom Chestnut 1974 | Red God Runaway Bride | 1954 1962 | 8-c 22-d | I Will Follow Bay 1975 | Herbager Where You Lead | 1956 1970 | 16-c 14-f | River Dancer Bay 1983 | Irish River Chestnut 1976 | Riverman Irish Star | 1969 1960 | 10-a 1-w | Dancing Shadow Bay 1977 | Dancer's Image Sunny Valley | 1965 1972 | 4-r 1-l | Wild Violet Bay 1992 | Archregent Bay 1981 | Vice Regent Chestnut 1967 | Northern Dancer Victoria Regina | 1961 1958 | 2-d 10-c | Respond Bay 1968 | Canadian Champ Reply | 1953 1951 | 9-b 4-g | Fiancee Brown 1977 | Baguette Brown 1967 | Rego Dark Jewel | 1949 1953 | 5-d 6-c | Attentive Brown 1961 | Wilkes Stewardess | 1952 1953 | 13-c 2-d |
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Posted: 23 Feb 2017 at 1:27pm |
Just shows how mixed up Australian Breeding is the above a few generations back would of been breed entirely for speed. With Fiancee and Attentive both Gimcrack winners.
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Posted: 23 Feb 2017 at 1:31pm |
Just managed to hold on after having the gun run.
Famous Tate family colours, Never heard of the trainer.
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Just shows how mixed up Australian Breeding is the above a few generations back would of been breed entirely for speed. With Fiancee and Attentive both Gimcrack winners. |
Was going to say, Despite being by a Derby winner out of an Oaks winner he not necessarily bred to stay.
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Posted: 23 Feb 2017 at 2:01pm |
How far ?
TOGA PICTA (AUS) | Brown colt 2014 | |
Lonhro Brown 1998 | Octagonal Brown 1992 | Zabeel Bay 1986 | Sir Tristram Bay 1971 | Sir Ivor Isolt | 1965 1961 | 8-g 6-e | Lady Giselle Bay 1982 | Nureyev Valderna | 1977 1972 | 5-h 16-c | Eight Carat Brown 1975 | Pieces of Eight Brown 1963 | Relic Baby Doll | 1945 1956 | 8-f 3-o | Klairessa Bay or brown 1969 | Klairon Courtessa | 1952 1955 | 1-w 9-c | Shadea Bay 1988 | Straight Strike Bay or brown 1977 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Bend Not Bay 1972 | Never Bend Jennie Sue | 1960 1961 | 19-b 11> | Concia Bay 1978 | First Consul Bay 1970 | Forli Bold Consort | 1963 1960 | 3-b 5-f | My Tricia Brown 1974 | Hermes Gay Poss | 1963 1966 | 11-d 8> | Purple Brown 2005 | Commands Bay 1996 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Spring Adieu | 1968 1974 | 4-d 2-d | Cotehele House Brown or black 1980 | My Swanee Grey 1963 | Petition Grey Rhythm | 1944 1954 | 16-g 8-j | Eight Carat Brown 1975 | Pieces of Eight Klairessa | 1963 1969 | 3-o 9-c | Lady Viola Bay 1997 | Zabeel Bay 1986 | Sir Tristram Bay 1971 | Sir Ivor Isolt | 1965 1961 | 8-g 6-e | Lady Giselle Bay 1982 | Nureyev Valderna | 1977 1972 | 5-h 16-c | Scarlet Robin Bay 1980 | First Consul Bay 1970 | Forli Bold Consort | 1963 1960 | 3-b 5-f | Taiona Brown 1972 | Sovereign Edition Vickyjoy | 1962 1965 | 13-a 7-d |
| Ancestor duplications: | Zabeel | 3m x 3f | | Eight Carat | 3m x 4f | | First Consul | 4f x 4f |
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