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Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Could be good for you Doc.

You should exercise more as well

No thanks rusty ... the science is settled!

The lack of brain development in you vegans is NOT a coincidence. Embarrassed ... you really should hit up the mixed grills breakfast lunch and dinner, and wash 'em down with a few protein shakes immediately ... or renew your ALP Membership.Wink
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I’m just trying to help Doc.

When posters on here refer to you as sausage fingers, it’s time for a little self reflection
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AHA ...   The larger snow storms have hit the NSW Blue Mountains & surrounding areas ... Orange NSW had it piled high.
I remember in 1949 the snow stopping all vehicles , trains & other transport for days , isolating the area ..     Snow piled against doors ....    That bluddy Global warming has now caused all that to return.

   Cycles are as plain as the nose on the face ...    This weather hoax is purely a measure of the madness in those who fall for such delusions.
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Lol it's madness alright, oh it's windy, lets blame global warming
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Lol it's madness alright, oh it's windy, lets blame global warming

   YOU know that's Baked Beans Tiger ..     Stop Fooling us.
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HARD TO IMAGINE HOW SO MANY PEOPLE BELEIVE IN GLOBAL WARMING ,BUT ASK THEM HOW MUCH THE WORLD HAS HEATED IN THE LAST 140 YEARS THEY DONT KNOW. IN THE LAST 18 YEARS IT HASNT HEATED AT ALL.
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Being on this forum is like being in 3rd class and having to do the homework of every slow kid in the class.
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The all caps didn’t sway you? You’re a hard marker, Tlaz.
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

The all caps didn’t sway you? You’re a hard marker, Tlaz.


 
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I guess Tiaz hasn't sat on Hatch's outside dunny to get the definitive conclusion on climate change Shocked
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Originally posted by hatch hatch wrote:

HARD TO IMAGINE HOW SO MANY PEOPLE BELEIVE IN GLOBAL WARMING ,BUT ASK THEM HOW MUCH THE WORLD HAS HEATED IN THE LAST 140 YEARS THEY DONT KNOW. IN THE LAST 18 YEARS IT HASNT HEATED AT ALL.

HOW MUCH DOES THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE HAVE TO DROP TO TRIGGER AN ICE AGE?
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Climate Change: The Facts

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Sir David Attenborough looks at a planet on the verge of climate catastrophe. With intimate stories of people's lives affected by climate change, the documentary takes a look at one of the greatest challenges we face today.


Aspect Ratio - 16:9
Original Broadcast/Premiere - 2019
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Originally posted by marble marble wrote:

Originally posted by hatch hatch wrote:

HARD TO IMAGINE HOW SO MANY PEOPLE BELEIVE IN GLOBAL WARMING ,BUT ASK THEM HOW MUCH THE WORLD HAS HEATED IN THE LAST 140 YEARS THEY DONT KNOW. IN THE LAST 18 YEARS IT HASNT HEATED AT ALL.


HOW MUCH DOES THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE HAVE TO DROP TO TRIGGER AN ICE AGE?
I’m not sure about the temperature for an Ice Age , but previous incidents of Global Warming have been followed by rapid cooling . The Medieval Warming period , when the Vikings settled Greenland, was followed by a Mini Ice Age that caused havoc in Europe.
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Climate Change: The Facts

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Sir David Attenborough looks at a planet on the verge of climate catastrophe. With intimate stories of people's lives affected by climate change, the documentary takes a look at one of the greatest challenges we face today.


Aspect Ratio - 16:9
Original Broadcast/Premiere - 2019

I looked for this in the programme - found it under "Science Fiction" Big smile
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... but Bob Brown and Jackie Tradd said that the reef is dead!

Reef science may be beyond the latte crowd

PETER RIDD

Labor failed to win any seats north of Queensland’s southeast corner at the federal election. This highlighted the divide between those in the fairyland inner suburbs of Australia’s cities and those of us who live in reality-land, where much of the country’s income is generated from mining and agriculture.

MPs answer call to arms on health of barrier reef

The backtracking by Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk on the Adani coalmine indicates Labor realises it is in serious trouble with the forthcoming state elections. But it is facing another Adani-like debacle with its Great Barrier Reef protection legislation that will go before parliament this month.

This legislation will drastically affect sugar cane, cattle and every major agricultural industry along the Queensland coast. Fertiliser and pesticide application will be restricted, massive fines will be applied for transgressions and a huge bureaucratic burden will be imposed on farmers. For them it will be like having a government official continuously sitting in the tractor next to them.

It will strangle the sugar industry that is already struggling — the Mossman sugar mill north of Cairns is facing collapse and recently needed tens of millions of dollars of government cash to continue. When the mill collapses, the farms go with it.

The motivation of the new reef legislation is laudable: to save the reef. But, as with Adani, much of the science behind this legislation is poorly quality assured and unreliable. In north Queensland we could never understand why the Adani mine was targeted as a reef killer when it is no different from the thousands of coalmines around the world.

The carbon dioxide produced by burning coal goes around the world irrespective of where it is mined or where it is burned. Opposition to Adani, to us regionals, looked like a way for a city dweller to feel good by pretending to do something about the reef.

Some of the “science” on which the new reef legislation is based looks very dubious.

For example, mud from farms is supposed to be killing the reef yet data shows that there is almost no mud whatsoever on the outer reef where 99 per cent of the corals live. It is all pristine white coral sand.

Pesticides from farms are generally not detectable on the outer reef even with the most sensitive scientific equipment.

To get over the inconvenient problem that the main reef, which is often more than 100km from shore, is obviously totally unaffected by farming, scientists focus on the “inner reef”. These are the tiny fringing reefs close to land that have less than 1 per cent of the coral. Unlike the offshore reefs, they are occasionally affected by river water in floods. But even here, work by sedimentologists across 25 years finds that mud from farms represents an exposure about 100 times less than from natural mechanisms. The natural mechanism is resuspension of mud by waves stirring the seabed, especially in strong southeasterly winds and cyclones.

A similar argument applies for the nutrient pollution by farm fertiliser. About 100 times more nutrients cycle through the system naturally. And pesticides are at worst in extremely low concentrations on these near-shore reefs. The water quality of the reef is actually excellent and determined by the vast quantities of sparkling pure water that flows into and out of the reef from the Pacific Ocean.

Because the “science” has not been checked, tested or replicated properly, it is hard to tell what is solid and what is not. We may well be focusing on the wrong issues that face the reef and wasting resources to protect it while damaging every major industry in the north.

Many of us outside the inner suburbs know that much of what we hear about the reef may not be true — just like Adani. The viabil­ity of many small towns along the coast is in jeopardy. We need far more rigorous checking of the science before we implement new legislation that will add huge costs to some of our major industries for probably little or no environmental benefit.

This is not denial; it is common sense.

We need a team of genuinely independent scientists to audit the science. There are many excellent scientists who can do this audit and who are outside the scientific “bubble” that is responsible for advising the government.

Let’s hold off for the moment on new rules that will strangle industry.

It also may stop the state government from making another Adani-sized mistake.

Peter Ridd is an independent scientist who was unlawfully dismissed from James Cook University in Townsville.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/reef-science-may-be-beyond-the-latte-crowd/news-story/77226cd7aafcf4a57a8572103bc7a6a2?fbclid=IwAR1wQGzINxECjojqjZ1hUHG69dtcfRikxlpnR1d6_8P1zJObt90-gW83UdA

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Hate to break it to the kids, but ... nothing we do will make any difference.

PROMISES VS. PERFORMANCE – The World’s Largest Emitters Since COP21


Executive Summary

At the COP21 Conference in December 2015, most member countries of the United Nations agreed to reduce greenhouse gas emissions (GHGs) in accordance with Independent Nationally Determined Contributions (INDCs) to be updated every five years. Almost four years later, how are the largest emitters performing?

 

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) estimated that avoiding a two degree Celsius ( C ) rise in average global temperatures over pre-industrial levels would  require GHG emissions to decline by 2030 to 40 gigatonnes (Gt) of carbon dioxide equivalent, and to avoid a 1.5-degree C. rise would require a 24.3 GT reduction. This is roughly equivalent to reductions in carbon dioxide emissions to 24.3 Gt for the two-degree C. goal and 15 Gt for the 1.5-degree C. goal.

 

The ten largest emitters in the world, in order, are: China, the United States, the European Union, India, Russia, Japan, South Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Canada.

 

Th following table indicates the projected emissions of these countries by 2030, based on the analysis of Climate Action Tracker and my own assessment.

 

Projected Emissions of Largest Emitters by 2030 (Mt)

Country/GroupEmissions
China14400 – 16600
United States          4900
India4500
European Union2770
Russian Federation1590 – 1740
Japan1040
Saudi Arabia810 – 1040
Iran700 – 750
South Korea700
Canada468
Total27468 – 30098

In summary, none of the largest emitters, except the EU, will meet the emissions targets they set for themselves in 2015. This makes it highly likely that global emissions in 2030 will be well above, not below, those today. There is no “global decarbonization transition” occurring.

 

In other words, based on current trends, the IPCC’s goals will not be met. Indeed, it is highly likely that emissions from China, India and the United States combined will exceed 24 GT by 2030. That means that all the other countries of the world could completely eliminate their emissions, and indeed cease to exist, within twelve years and the two-degree C. goal would not be met.

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may as well just throw in the towel hey Doc
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Well that will do me Doc - sounds like we are all doomed. Bugger using these bloody corn starch bags anymore !
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Earth will not be destroyed by humans no matter what we do. We are just a temporary pimple on the bum of the planet and if we manage to destroy ourselves Earth will make a full recovery in a short while, give or take a million years.
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I am sure your grandchildren and great grandchildren will be very reassured by that tlaz.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

I am sure your grandchildren and great grandchildren will be very reassured by that tlaz.


They will have to prise my cold dead hands off the wheel of my beloved 5mpg Chevvy Camaro.Angry
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:




Earth will not be destroyed by humans no matter what we do. We are just a temporary pimple on the bum of the planet and if we manage to destroy ourselves Earth will make a full recovery in a short while, give or take a million years.
Of course we can’t destroy the planet . And I don’t become hysterical when people talk about “ climate change” with such gloom and doom. The climate of planet Earth has always changed and always will. I must admit to not taking too much notice of the science on this but I do know once any field of academics gets politicised it is vital to know who provided the funding for the research before you believe it. In my own field of interest , Australian History, I’ve seen people with degrees and letters after their names write some absolute rubbish!
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  ....    When you rub shoulders with the "degree" titled , Your words are spot on Baguette.

How often they are totally wrong is never recorded or advertised .

Butter is bad , Vit C the wonder pill, then Vit E ....    Have a cigarette to ease tension .   No more water , it will never rain again.

Tim Flannery claims a win on that one.   It was a typo.

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Hey maxie, I see the NSW Liberal govt are doubling capacity  of the desalination plants in Sydney. 

Remember the old threads here ridiculing Labor building them, and now Libs are ramping it up because Warragamba levels are falling below 50% 


Government to combat drought by doubling desalination plant capacity

12/08/2019

.The NSW Government is planning to double the capacity of the Kurnell desalination plant in an effort to combat the drought.

With dam levels falling fast as NSW suffers through one of its worst droughts in history, the government is looking to double the output of a desalination plant that already produces 250 million litres of water per day.

The Kurnell plant was turned on in January and is supplying 15 per cent of Sydney’s water.

NSW Water Minister Melinda Pavey tells Steve Price although she was originally a critic of Labor’s decision to open the plant, she’s now thankful.

“I was one of those sceptics, I was in Opposition when Labor rushed the decision.

“I’m the first to admit that it is making a difference at the moment… and I’m grateful for that investment.”

But she says she can’t yet say how much water bills will rise under the plan.

https://www.2gb.com/government-to-combat-drought-by-doubling-desalination-plant-capacity/

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Floods follow droughts & no doubt there will be devastation following the next ones. Are any new dams/reservoirs being built, as I haven't seen any media releases to that affect Confused
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No dams, no river diversions. If it doesn't go bang this govt wont spend anything on it despite the RBA begging them to invest in something productive.
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Whatever happened to Snowy 2.0? Engineering issues, massive cost blowouts, completion time pushed out beyond 8 years. 
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Originally posted by marble marble wrote:

may as well just throw in the towel hey Doc

throw in the towel to what exactly marble?

Do you think mankind can really change the weather? 

You just keep on tilting at windmills marble ... just don't waste my taxes on it.
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by marble marble wrote:

may as well just throw in the towel hey Doc

throw in the towel to what exactly marble?

Do you think mankind can really change the weather? 

You just keep on tilting at windmills marble ... just don't waste my taxes on it.

according to people a lot smarter than me mankind has changed the weather - are you living in a cave ? or maybe your just thick - sorry no maybes , you are thick
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wow you deleted my post re yulong owner and how he made his money

coal and wind farms.

What was the matter with it?

I thought it was accidentally in the wrong thread Isaac, as did Carioca who responded to it Big smile There was another the same y/day so couldn't work out where to move it to = deleted Embarrassed


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