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That's more like it naggers,,,,,,starting to talk the same language !    Now back to those low life bikie gangs that are the backbone to major crime in this country & you want to defend with your life....please enlighten me as to your reasons.....I'll just get the violin & hankies out !
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Apologies as well bagman
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I still think global warmings happening .... lol.
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Truly , We cannot sit back and see organised crime continue to go unchecked.   We have reached the stage where we are losing our younger generations to a drug soaked society.
The once "tolerated " Bikies [ Fought among themselves and would protect the innocent " That is long gone.    You are now dealing with an army of nasty people.
   Having lived many years in Western Sydney.     I now rate the Northern Suburbs of Brisbane as people like Country NSW were in the 1950"s. Little crime and pleasant people.   Your Gold Coast will infect the other Qld are's like white ants.
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lol Run For Fun now has lost the capability of comprehension.
I at no time said New Zealanders. So it would seem your lack of intelligence is parallel to the rest of the backward Wangaratta population. Keep sniping fool, that's why so many hate you.

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I HAD TO EDIT IT. Why do I like such ditties. Something about it regulates the heat of the meat. and changes subject.

Kissing Is a habit, Bonking is a game,
Guys get all the pleasure, The Ladies get the pain ,

The man cries out "I Love You. Girls believe It's true,
But when there is some potion swell, He says "good bye" to you,

For just a minutes pleasure, for months it is real pain,
a quick trip to maternity, Gives us Macca , with no name,

Another Southern bathplug , has Mum a bit forlorn,
This never would have happened,
      If THE RUBBER HADN'T TORN.
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maxie if you put the bikies out of business who will do the white shoe mob's dirty work for them? Will they be out selling their own heroin or ice etc or out doing their own collections? Don't think so. 

A few upstarts have gotten a bit above themselves, a couple of clubs are going through transition periods They will get the message and business will return to normal
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Coalition negotiates steep learning curve

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Both are on a steep learning curve as they make the transition from the chest-thumping unilateralists of the election campaign into decision-makers who must confront the limits of power as well as its potential.

So far Abbott has done this better than Morrison. The Prime Minister's visit to Jakarta this week was a pivotal moment in the asylum-seeker debate and one that would have caused untold damage to the government's hopes of stopping the boats had it been mishandled. This was Abbott's week of living dangerously, given the turbulent lead-up to his visit and Jakarta's clear discomfort with the tone and content of the Coalition's asylum-seeker policies.

But Abbott's visit succeeded because he saw the wisdom of strategic retreat, choosing to co-opt rather than confront Indonesia's President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono on asylum-seekers.

Gone was the strident opposition leader pledging to turn back boats, buy back boats and offer bounties to Indonesians. In his place was Abbott as deferential statesman, promising "total respect for Indonesia's sovereignty, total respect for Indonesia's territorial integrity".

It was a necessary transformation that recognised the reality - seen with far greater clarity from the Lodge than from opposition - that the boats cannot be stopped without Indonesia's active support. Abbott used the visit to effectively shed some of the silly parts of the Coalition's asylum policies, while all but apologising for Labor's grave mismanagement of the issue and for his party's unilateralist rhetoric while in opposition.

"There have been times when all sides of Australian politics should have said less and done more," he said. "I am confident that these will soon seem like out-of-character aberrations."

The Coalition has all but retreated from the poorly considered policies of directly buying asylum-seeker boats from Indonesian fishermen and paying Indonesians for information on people-smugglers. These were announced in the final weeks of the election campaign, when the Coalition was spooked by Kevin Rudd's Papua New Guinea plan and felt a need to outflank him.

 Both policies upset Jakarta and, in addition to the contentious policy of turning around boats, contributed to Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa's warning ahead of Abbott's visit that "unilateral" actions by Australia could threaten bilateral co-operation on people-smuggling.

But it would be wrong to interpret Abbott's visit as some sort of surrender to Jakarta on asylum-seekers. On the contrary, Indonesia was left in no doubt this week that the Abbott government also views the asylum-seeker issue as a threat to Australian sovereignty.

On the eve of Abbott's visit, former foreign minister Alexander Downer gave voice to what the government thinks but cannot say publicly. "Let me make this point for Mr Natalegawa's benefit," Downer said. "Indonesian boats, Indonesian-flagged boats with Indonesian crews, are breaking our laws, bringing people into our territorial waters. This is a breach of our sovereignty."

Downer and Natalegawa playing bad cop for their respective countries made it easier for Abbott and SBY to play good cop, with a gracious SBY pledging "new bilateral co-operation" because "Australia and Indonesia are both victims of people-smugglers".

The most contentious bilateral asylum-seeker issue - Abbott's pledge to turn back boats - was left unresolved but it was downplayed, with Natalegawa describing it as a "technical issue".

The success of Abbott's visit was that it helped steer both countries away from a collision on asylum-seekers and left each with a better understanding of the other's position. Yet the good news that flowed from Abbott's Jakarta visit was undermined by Morrison's botched handling of last week's asylum-seeker tragedy. It was a mistake that exposed the unpalatable nature of the censorship Morrison has imposed on releasing real-time news on boats.

Morrison's controversial policy of releasing details about asylum-seeker activity only once a week backfired when news came through on Friday morning last week that an asylum-seeker boat was sinking near the coast of Java.

The tragedy, which claimed more than 50 lives, would have been reported that day under the previous government's policy, along with details of any assistance Australia was providing.

Instead, there was official silence from Canberra for almost 48 hours. That silence ensured the dominant news story last weekend contained inaccurate claims of a 26-hour delay in Australia's response to the tragedy. When questions about the incident were thrown at Abbott at an AFL grand final function last Saturday, he scuttled away without responding; that night Morrison finally broke his silence to release details.

Not until Morrison's weekly briefing on Monday was the full chronology of the incident released, making it clear there was nothing authorities could have done to avert the tragedy.

Brigadier Adrian D'Hage, a decorated soldier who headed Defence's media unit in the 1990s, says the episode shows why Morrison's new approach won't work. "For three days, the young men and women of the defence force, Customs et al had their professional dedication to doing the right thing by international law vis-a-vis boatpeople dragged through the mud. For three days, the only one who could defend them has been missing in action.

"They deserve a lot better defence than Morrison's once-a-week briefing. It is about time that someone with PR nous explained to Abbott, (Julie) Bishop, Morrison et al that 'no comment' will not suffice. In this day and age the arrivals, or the tragic non-arrivals, will be reported, but so will the claims that we did nothing."

Morrison says it's not the government's job to run a "shipping news" service for people-smugglers and that by controlling information it will deny people-smugglers the opportunity to exploit that knowledge. He says this approach is "not uncommon with military-style operations".

But Morrison has failed to explain how information about daily arrivals would advantage people-smugglers; and why, if he truly believes this, neither he nor Abbott raised it while in opposition, when they exploited news of daily boat arrivals for political gain.

It is hard not to conclude that the "operational reasons" cited by Morrison are a euphemism for political reasons. Many senior people in the military believe this to be the case. By reducing the flow of information to a weekly briefing - and even then releasing only carefully sanitised information - the Coalition hopes to limit media coverage and thereby foster a perception that the government is successfully tackling the problem, even if the number of arrivals remains high.

Perhaps most important, it gives the government a degree of political cover when it eventually chooses to turn back an asylum-seeker boat. The last time this was done, during the Howard government's Pacific Solution in 2001, sailors had to contend with riots, hostility and self-harm from asylum-seekers, who sought to scuttle their boats, jump overboard and do whatever they could to try to avoid being returned to Indonesian waters.

The navy has accepted this is likely to happen again when asylum-seeker boats are turned back, but the government wants to package and sanitise such incidents to reduce any backlash.

This may work to some degree, but it is unlikely any major incident will stay secret for long. Even in 2001, The Australian managed to break the "children overboard" affair amid tight secrecy and long before the communications revolution that has led to some asylum-seekers carrying smartphones and GPS equipment.

Morrison's approach will make people only more suspicious of the government, believing it has something to hide. It was elected with a mandate to stop the boats, and the government's policy will hamper the media's ability to properly scrutinise this core promise.

Behind the censorship wall, Inquirer understands important developments are taking place. Since Operation Sovereign Borders was enacted, and despite the arrival of at least four boats in the past 10 days, sources say there has been no attempt to turn back boats. Although several boats were considered too waterlogged to send back, there is also thought to have been reluctance to test this contentious policy ahead of Abbott's visit to Jakarta, where boat turnarounds continue to be an irritant.

Instead, officials have been encouraged by two events last week that suggest a renewed level of co-operation between Australian and Indonesian authorities.

In the space of two days, the RAN went to the aid of two asylum-seeker boats after they had radioed for help less than 50 nautical miles off the Indonesian coast. As the boats were much closer to Indonesia than to Christmas Island, the Australian Maritime Safety Authority told its Indonesian equivalent, Basarnas, that its "preference is for a transfer at sea" to Indonesian authorities.

Basarnas agreed, and in relation to one of the boats, the Australian Customs ship ACV Triton was given permission to enter Indonesian waters to offload 31 rescued asylum-seekers on to an Indonesian vessel.

Australian authorities have been encouraged by Indonesia's willingness to accept asylum-seekers under these circumstances, whereby asylum-seekers end up back in Indonesia without any need to forcibly turn back their boats. As a result, one of the tactical options being considered is to try to operate the navy's patrol-boat fleet further north of Christmas Island, so that if distress calls are received the boats can be intercepted closer to the Indonesian coast, making it likelier that Basarnas will accept their return.

But these are early days. The government is sorting out new tactics and new chains of command. It was sobering that Abbott's success in Jakarta and Morrison's stumble at home coincided with the arrival of at least four boats carrying more than 250 people. On every level, Operation Sovereign Borders is a work in progress.

 

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Big difference these days BD. As Max said, they have evolved to a different level with different values. Dominated by ethnic groups...esp. middle eastern types (there I go again Subby)...many can't even ride a bloody bike...just an excuse for hard core crime. Authorities have every right to do all they can to limit their powers...& if part of that is to close down a few poxy tattoo parlours so be it. What value do theses gangs they add to the general community ? In Western Sydney there are random shootings / explosions daily...I would not go within 5km of the Granville area for starters. Imagine if one of them moved in next door & proceeded to heavily fortify the joint...give the missus & daughter a wink every afternoon on their way to crime...lovely I don't think
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Morrison said the Coalition had “never had a policy of towing boats back to Indonesia” and blamed “misrepresentation over a long period of time” in the media for that impression.
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Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Well..........back to the boat people and the media.

Another boat load of asylum seekers comes to grief and reported on Australian TV. But this one was near Italy. Seems the media are having trouble finding some shock news these days.

But then again, Tony did say he'd stop the boats. So surely mc41 will have Abbott tarred and feathered for this one too.



The only reason I haven't commented on this is purely out of respect,something you appear to be lacking
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Two of my best mates are Nomads and one a Lone Wolf.  You might have had a bad experience with a Muslim once but it has clouded your view of things. These guys despair at what a bad few are doing to the rest of them.
What happened on the Gold Coast last week was stupidity by a small group that is impacting the rest What police and State Govt are doing is a gross over reaction. It is just a public relations exercise  being done to give a false impression of the resolve of Newman and his govt. The only people who will suffer is small business from people shying away from the coast
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Sorry BD...cannot agree on this one. Bikie gangs intimidate the general community...& they cross the line way to often these days. Only going to get worse as they continually fight over the proceeds of crime. Ever asked your mates why they joined a bikie gang ? Ultimate boys club maybe ?
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People join all sorts of clubs organisations and fraternities. They do it for a plethora of reasons. You have a view of biker groups. I don't know your experiences or motivates the way you think, but if the bloke living next door isn't wearing his colors and you didn't know he was a member of a bike group, would you still fear him?
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Originally posted by Browndog Browndog wrote:

People join all sorts of clubs organisations and fraternities. They do it for a plethora of reasons. You have a view of biker groups. I don't know your experiences or motivates the way you think, but if the bloke living next door isn't wearing his colors and you didn't know he was a member of a bike group, would you still fear him?


No idea .Is all I can say. . Re Bikie gangs. The rituals , the oaths.
The reprisals if one walks out.      The wars if one change their alliance .    The Master at Arms and what is expected of them.
   Can't people see what is happening in our Society.
We are being run in certain areas by bluddy drug crazed 14 year olds.
Great pre training for such promotion to Bikie Gangs.
Corruption in our Police Forces and Judiciary. great mix.
A good line is =   If there were honest Cops .   There would be no dishonest cops.    Think about it.
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Every time you support cuts to education spending health spending, support cuts to basic wages and conditions so that the wealthy can get even more so at the expense of poor people, you create the environment that creates disempowered people. The answer to changing it all is within your powers.
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The Lone Wolf and the Nomads aren't the main problem at present Browndog. So long as they don't let their affiliation with other clubs get in the way. But the Lone Wolf might already be in it too deep.
It's a bikie war and it hasn't reached its climax yet. 
The Bandidos/Hells Angels/Rebels/Comancheros/Finks/Monguls are gearing up for a big one soon. And it ain't gunna be pretty. The Black Uhlans don't have a choice because the fight's been taken to their turf.

There is only one clubhouse in this area, and recently a rival gang has made their presence felt. It was just their warning. Most smaller gangs have affiliations with either side and the pressure is being put on every club in the state.

Every bikie there knows what to expect and they aren't going to turn around and lose face.
The police have a job to do as does the premier.

I know a couple too Browndog, but they aren't even considering wearing a patch let alone go to the Gold Coast. And they agree with the state govt increasing police numbers and forcing new legislation to outlaw specific types.
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Cops cavalry hits Coast to smash bikies
Police on the Gold Coast are briefed as part of the QPS commitment to target the illegal activities of Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs. - See more at: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/bikie-gang-the-finks-will-join-with-us-group-the-mongols-to-become-a-global-outlaw-force-as-police-boost-numbers/story-e6frg6n6-1226731159396#sthash.lsYM4DqO.dpuf
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   Send in more Ladies .    A great fix.
They should have built Parliament House in Kings Cross.     Our Pollies could have walked to work.      Ask Richo all about it.
Google up the Pickering Report with his 800000 [claimed] followers.
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Bikie gang the Finks will join with US group the Mongols to become a global outlaw force as police boost numbers -  THE cavalry has arrived on the Gold Coast.

The first batch of police reinforcements have hit the beat on the Coast in a bikie blitz dubbed 'Operation Fightback'.

Forty extra police from Brisbane begin duty tonight to reclaim the streets of the Glitter Strip following an eruption of gang violence, including two wild brawls and a siege of Southport police station.

Accused bikie brawl ringleader is 'the victim'

The police crackdown is part of the Newman Government's $20 million strategy to tackle the bikie scourge.

Police regional acting Assistant Commissioner Steve Hollands said a Gold Coast Bulletin front-page boast by a Bandidos bikie that the gang 'owned' the Coast and dismissing the crackdown as a 'crack-up' had strengthened his officers' resolve to smash the bikies.

 He said police had arrested 26 bikies over last Friday night's brawl at a Broadbeach restaurant and police station siege.

Eighteen bikies were intercepted and questioned on Tuesday night.

Mr Hollands said the police reinforcements would be targeting known bikie hang-outs such as nightclubs and providing public reassurance.

"That is, getting out there with the blue uniforms and reassuring the public that the Queensland Police Service are there to ensure this doesn't happen again,'' he said.

The police helicopter was in the air day and night to monitor bikies who would also be targeted in random alcohol and drug-testing operations and liquor licensing checks.

Mr Hollands said another 50 police reinforcements would be deployed to the Coast on Monday and would stay for at least a month until the bikie problem was under control.

Meanwhile, the Finks' move to merge with US motorcycle gang the Mongols will not protect members from being jailed under tough new anti-racketeering laws, Queensland's Attorney-General has warned.

The Courier-Mail revealed today that 90 per cent of the Finks are expected to "patch over" and join the Mongols to become the most powerful gang in Australia.

Attorney-General Jarrod Bleijie said the government was aware of the reported move but it would not save the Finks from tough new legislation.

"It's concerning and disappointing they think they could get around these new laws we're introducing by showing strength in numbers," said Mr Bleijie.

"This is just a fear and intimidation tactic by the Finks."

He said it would certainly not scare the government from pushing through its suite of bans on bikie gatherings and other restrictions in the next couple of weeks.

"They can do whatever they want to change their names, to change their membership, to change their organisation but we will find them, we will track them down," Mr Bleijie said.

"We know who they are and we will prosecute under our tough new anti-racketeering legislation."

Overnight, it was reported that the Gold Coast's most notorious bikie gang has brokered a deal with a US powerhouse gang in a deliberate push to become a global outlaw force.

At least 90 per cent of the Finks nationwide will patch over and join with the Mongols to become arguably the most powerful outlaw gang in the country.

Brokered in the past week, the deal includes the Finks handing in their club support gear and erasing or disguising club tattoos as they wait for official Mongol colours to arrive.

LYNCH MOB: Bikies brawl on tourist strip

The patch over almost the entire club is believed to be the largest ever seen in Australia and will see the Mongols become a major outlaw force of more than 400 members.

The move will realise the Finks' goal to go global, giving them "respect" and a voice on the international stage.

VIOLENCE: This time bikies clash at smoothie shop

Authorities have "no idea" what the patch over will do to moves to have the Finks declared a criminal organisation or if the legal action will proceed if the Finks walk away from the club.

The deal has stunned law enforcement who admit they had "no idea" the clubs would unite.

"This is massive," police said.

"This will elevate the Finks to the international stage and make them the most powerful gang in Australia.

"It will also give them international links equal to the Hells Angels."

BIKIE BOUNTY: Dob in an outlaw for $5 million

According to their website, the Mongols have chapters in the US, Mexico, Norway, Spain, Thailand, Germany, Malaysia, France and Israel.

Senior Finks have not ordered members to join the US club, leaving the decision to individual members.

It is understood older life members are angry at the move and fear the club will become extinct.

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The club's younger members have moved without hesitation and insiders estimate 90 per cent of the club would become Mongols.

NewsCorp exclusively revealed the Mongols had hit the Coast in June after capturing exclusive images of patched members of the Mongols in Southport.

Accused Bandido bikie brawler Richy Chapman is led into Southport Watchhouse. Source: CourierMail

Accused Bandido bikie brawler Richy Chapman is led into Southport Watchhouse. Source: CourierMail Source:CourierMail

There are fears the move could ignite further tensions between outlaw clubs, which erupted last Friday as a 'lynch mob' of 60 Bandidos terrorised the Gold Coast.

Another fracas broke out between Hells Angels and Finks outside a health cafe on Tuesday.

Senior police sources say the Mongols - sworn international enemies of the Hells Angels - established a temporary base at Carrara, but are believed to be planning to move to the Finks clubhouse in Molendinar and commandeer traditional Fink territory.

"The Mongols are a serious bike club,'' police said.

"Look at their history. This club means business.''

Outlaw sources estimate the Mongols have about 70 patched members in Australia, with the NSW Central Coast being the club's stronghold.

The Mongols MC website claims the club has several chapters in NSW, Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth.

Taskforce Hydra has refused to comment on the Mongols' public presence for "operational reasons''.

The Finks and the Mongols mutual hatred for the Hells Angels, who they call chicken heads, is widely known and police fear it can only increase friction between the clubs.

"The Mongols are sworn enemies of the Hells Angels.

"In the US, the club has a `shoot on sight' policy for any Hells Angels,'' police said.

Violence between the two international clubs erupted at a casino in Nevada in 2002 in circumstances eerily similar to the Ballroom Blitz fracas on the Gold Coast in 2006 between the Hells Angels and Finks.

Bikies unite to create mega gang

The Mongols are joining forces with the Finks Source: Supplied

WHO ARE THE MONGOLS?

* The Mongols Motorcycle Club - sometimes called the Mongol Nation or Mongol Brotherhood - is a "one-percenter" outlaw motorcycle club and alleged organised crime syndicate.

* Formed in California in 1969 and inspired in name by the vast Mongol Empire founded by Genghis Khan.

* There are believed to be about 70 chapters in the US, though most of its 500 to 600 Latino and Native American members can be found in California.

* American authorities consider the Mongols to be the "most violent and dangerous" biker gang in the US. The club has a criminal history including drug dealing, money laundering, robbery, extortion, firearms violations and murder.

* Allied with Bandidos, Outlaws and Sons of Silence, the Mongols are rivals with the Hells Angels

- See more at: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/bikie-gang-the-finks-will-join-with-us-group-the-mongols-to-become-a-global-outlaw-force-as-police-boost-numbers/story-e6frg6n6-1226731159396#sthash.lsYM4DqO.dpuf
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you are free to join every thing and anything you like.
That's it end, fin, finished over and out.
You are also free to complain about that and protest.
So where are the protest being held......??
Thought so.
I don't have one
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Originally posted by mc41 mc41 wrote:

What was your dream man Howard's legacy in infrastructure 
?  compare apples with apples   Labor V LNP   


That's a big list Q or you still searching, perhaps S can help out here
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From the Liberals 'Snouts In The Trough' file:

Tony Abbott repays travel costs for wedding in Wangaratta

    COALITION frontbencher Malcolm Turnbull says his colleagues would have been "absolutely satisfied" they were doing the right thing when claiming thousands of dollars in allowances to attend weddings.

    Over the past week it has emerged that four senior coalition ministers and a backbencher have claimed expenses totalling in excess of $15,000 to attend three different weddings.

    Mr Turnbull believes Julie Bishop made a "very valid use of her travel entitlement" when she claimed $3445 to pay for flights home from a lavish wedding in India when she was shadow foreign minister in June 2011.

    Mining magnate Gina Rinehart flew Ms Bishop, Barnaby Joyce and Teresa Gambaro from Perth to Hyderabad in a private jet to watch the granddaughter of her business partner marry in front of 10,000 guests, Fairfax media reported on Sunday.

    In the name of fostering stronger ties with India, Ms Rinehart invited Australian politicians to be her guests at the wedding, who later claimed more than $12,000 in travelling expenses to return home.

    Ms Bishop claims to have spent more time talking to business executives over the three days than she did attending the wedding.

    "Julie Bishop's visit to India was very much in line with what she should have been doing as shadow foreign minister," Mr Turnbull told ABC's Insiders on Sunday.

    "One of the biggest issues in our foreign policy discourse has been the need to raise the level of engagement with India, being a legitimate criticism there has been an overwhelming fascination with China."

    Turnbull's comments come after the Herald Sun exclusively reported Prime Minister Tony Abbott charged taxpayers for his travel costs when he attended the wedding of a Liberal MP in Victoria.

    Mr Abbott's office said he had repaid $1094 for a 2006 trip to Wangaratta for the wedding of recently defeated Liberal frontbencher Sophie Mirabella, after questions from the Sunday Herald Sun.

    A spokesman for Mr Abbott said he had repaid the money after the Department of Finance had told him it could not guarantee he was entitled to it.

    The revelation comes a week after Attorney-General George Brandis and Federal Agriculture Minister Barnaby Joyce agreed to repay money they had charged taxpayers to attend the 2011 wedding of Sydney radio broadcaster Michael Smith.

    Ms Mirabella, then backbencher Sophie Panopoulos, married Lt-Col Greg Mirabella at Wangaratta's Anglican Cathedral in June 2006.

    The military-themed wedding was attended by 250 guests including Mr Abbott, then health minister in the Howard government, and fellow MP Bronwyn Bishop, who is expected to become Speaker of the House of Representatives when the new Parliament sits later this month.

    On Thursday the Sunday Herald Sun asked Mr Abbott and Ms Bishop if taxpayer funds had been used for them to attend the wedding.

    Ms Bishop did not respond to questions but Mr Abbott's spokesman James Boyce confirmed yesterday the PM had "utilised entitlements".

    "When the matter was brought to his attention, he immediately sought advice from the Department of Finance," he said.

    "The advice received said it was not possible to determine if the travel was within entitlement.

    "For the avoidance of any doubt, Mr Abbott has repaid all costs associated with this travel totalling $1,094.64 and the matter is resolved."

    It is the second time Mr Abbott has repaid travel entitlements he had claimed from taxpayers.

    In 2010 he repaid $9,400 he had claimed for a 2009 book-tour to promote his book Battlelines.

    Ms Mirabella was unseated as MP for Indi at last month's federal election by independent Cathy McGowan.

  • JAMES CAMPBELL, MATT JOHNSTON, AAP
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Meanwhile Peter Slipper is asking what he is doing in court over $900 in cab charges. Hypocrisy muchOuch 
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Ah, as a Wangaratta resident I well remember Sophie's wedding here.
 
It was one of the 11 days she spent in the Electorate of Indi over the course of 12 years (the other 10 were photo opportunities).
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Abbott repays cost of wedding and apologises
Turn-BULL says" Its taxmoney well spent".

Mmmmmm, interesting.
Sabotage?
Dont say I didnt warn you about Turn-bull.
He has every intention to bring down Abbott.
Thankfully Julie Bishop and Joe Hockey are all the wiser to that.

Nice attempt at sabotage their Turn-bull.
Try again mate.
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Originally posted by mc41 mc41 wrote:

Originally posted by mc41 mc41 wrote:

What was your dream man Howard's legacy in infrastructure 
?  compare apples with apples   Labor V LNP   


That's a big list Q or you still searching, perhaps S can help out here

Perhaps significant policy even ?
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:


Big difference these days BD. As Max said, they have evolved to a different level with different values. Dominated by ethnic groups...esp. middle eastern types (there I go again Subby)...many can't even ride a bloody bike...just an excuse for hard core crime. Authorities have every right to do all they can to limit their powers...& if part of that is to close down a few poxy tattoo parlours so be it. What value do theses gangs they add to the general community ? In Western Sydney there are random shootings / explosions daily...I would not go within 5km of the Granville area for starters. Imagine if one of them moved in next door & proceeded to heavily fortify the joint...give the missus & daughter a wink every afternoon on their way to crime...lovely I don't think

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There are still remnants of the old school bikies getting around, but they are being drowned out by new (mostly ethnic) members that have been brought in due to the arms race that's going on.

Even the Police have noted the drastic change in make-up of the gangs, pointing out they are now heavily populated by Middle-Eastern, Pacific Islander & Eastern European types who don't even own bikes.

Control of the drug trade is the main aim.

Most of the major gangs now either have chapters or contacts overseas (USA, Canada, Thailand etc) supplying drugs and precursors directly into the country, with the bikies controlling the whole supply chain. 

Importing precursors/drugs 

Cooking/pressing

Wholesale distribution

Street corner distribution 

Collecting debts from wholesale customers and users

Supplying the weapons those in debt use to rob places to pay off their debts to the bikies

Supplying protection in jail to those who end up getting caught trying to rob places to pay back their debts to bikies

Nice little circle hey?

Trying to paint these groups as simply money collectors for the 'white shoe' brigade may have been accurate 20 years ago but it isn't anymore. 

Trying to suggest a 50-60 year old white Caucasian bikie still is still representative of what most (not all) bikie gangs are made up of nowadays is wrong IMO. Chances are the 50-60 year old bikie you know is now on the outer in his own club power wise.

The rise of the 'Nike bikie' term says it all. New members these days are more fond of steroids, methamphetamine and hummers than they are of booze, bikes & women.

The old guard is being pushed out and the new guard of members in their 20's-40's is coming through. You just need to take a look at the Chapter Presidents, Sargent At Arms' and National Presidents to see the way the membership of particular bikie gangs is trending.


 
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If they commit an offence then charge them, the same law applies to all. Except politicians
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Is there a pattern here?

New laws for bikies
New laws for asylum seekers
New laws for unions

No laws for Peta Credlin or trough snouting Liberal front benchers

Wonder what John Howard really thinks of this embarrassment of a government?
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