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I spoke to the stallion manager today and he said he has over 120 mares booked- said response amazing and mares coming from both NZ and WA
Good to see Edited by Gay3 - 27 Sep 2020 at 11:58am |
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good price probably helped too Bushy. nice to see something realistic....
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Be interesting to see how strategic manuever goes with numbers.
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I believe it was those hoof issues that prevented him landing a big one in Aus. If he did you wouldn't be getting him at the current rate. Stayer with a good turn of foot. with support he could do OK as a sire.
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spoke to stud manager today when I picked my mare up- he said his got a 118 in foal- great start for him for his first year
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This post popped up in a racing thread & I thought it may be of interest to those considering using him:
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I have a service fee for him this season and would appreciate advice as to which of these two mares might suit him best.
1 All in favour (not a single doubt x Indris) missed to him last year. 2 Qalanjo (xaar x tikiri) not served last season . Foaled VCDH colt 2013 looks ok Both mares broke their maiden status on the track and had around 50% place rate over all starts. Breed to race .I have trotted out these mares before looking for stallion advice but now I have the stallion and need the mare selection. Thanks for any interest. |
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Gorrod I'd put All In Favour ahead of Qalanjo from a line breeding perspective. However they'd both essentially produce outcrosses in the first 4/5 removes and you might also need to consider conformational suitability.
Depending on which one you send to LC for your free return I'd suggest the following for which ever one doesn't visit the stallion: All In Favour would appear to go great with Snippets for the Easy Date cross so Magnus, Moshe and Keano would appear to loom large. The last two are of course more realistically priced from a breed to race viewpoint. Qalanjo has outstanding ancestress Best In Show close up via Xaar so I'd perhaps be looking to duplicate that via the stallion and fellows like Master Of Design and Domesday among others might possibly fit the bill. In both cases have only mentioned Victorian-based sires as that appears to be where you're at.
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thanks SC Iam leaning to AIF for Lucas Cranach
For Qalanjo I will put Kuroshio in the mix I see we would have been combatants today only you were scratched Regards
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Kuroshio, you could do worse and probably available at a significant discount to the advertised price.
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Has a runner in the next at Swan Hill, Crash Cranach. Haven't been paying close attention, how has his progeny been going at the track?
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He's only had 1 other runner so far, a horse trained by Michelle Payne who ran midfield on debut recently. Crash Cranach looked very green in that race today but looked impressive in trials. You'd think they'd improve with time and distance and I've been hearing pretty good reports about them. Too early to judge him yet I think. |
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Looked to over react to the whip, that horse particular needs another 6 months to mature
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Was that his first winner today? Crash Cranach.
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No, JUKILA trained by Michelle Payne was his first at Stawell last October
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Nicish debut winner in a low grade race a Goulbourn.
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reductio ad absurdum
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Nuclear Freeze, is he a brother to Danehill djebel? if so lot of speed on the dam side.
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Yes he is.
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reductio ad absurdum
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He used to be in the Southern Highlands of NSW, but does anyone know where he is now ? N.F. I mean .
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animals before people.
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Poor bugga. Exported to China on 25 Jun 2011
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The dad.
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Probably been dog food by now. Poor bugga is right. |
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3yo son of Lucas Cranach won again at Wagga over 1300m.
Anyone have stats on the racetrack performance of his progeny to date? |
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Thanks Gay3
That is a very useful website for me.
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Lucas Lotto and Leneva ParkTara Madgwick - Thursday September 10
Progressive
Victorian thoroughbred enterprise Leneva Park is moving forward this
spring with a new phase in their development following the arrival of
proven stallion Lucas Cranach (Ger) and the acquisition of three quality
mares to add to their burgeoning breeding program. Sarah and Joel head up the pre-training and agistment arm of the business which counts major stables Mick Price and Mick Kent Jr, Mike Moroney, Lindsey Smith, Nigel Blackiston and John Moloney as valued clients.
“The farm is a real family affair, I’ve worked with horses for as long as I can remember and the same goes for Joel.
“Mum (Judy Vandersluys) and Luke both have an active role in the
business too and I think that’s what sets us apart. We’ve got a great
team here and we treat every horse on the property as if it was our
own.”
“Luke is very keen to make an impact selling quality drafts at the yearling and ready to run sales and bringing Jenny on board was a big part of that,” Beaumont revealed. “We’ve been slowly adding some real quality broodmares to the farm and they will get every chance to produce the sort of foals that will take us to the major yearling sales.” In July, Leneva Park purchased three young broodmares Ingrid (USA) (Gemologist), Shoepeg (Bernardini (USA) and Cashla Bay (Fastnet Rock) from the MM National Broodmare Sale to grow the quality of their broodmare band. The trio are in foal to high profile sires Russian Revolution, Brazen Beau and American Pharoah, so there is much to look forward to this spring! The decision to take on Lucas Cranach was prompted by the sale of nearby Bullarook Park and the retirement of stud master Malcolm Boyd, who had previously stood the Melbourne Cup placed Group II winner. “I really believe that there is an opportunity for Lucas Cranach to service the breed to race market that wants a middle distance horse,” Beaumont pointed out. “Not everyone can go to Europe and buy a good stayer, but they can breed one with Lucas. He was such a good racehorse himself and he has proven that he can leave good racehorses as well. I think he’s one of the best value stallions in Victoria to be honest, he’s such an athletic horse and he’s very fertile. “Smart breeders like John Fiteni (Surprise Baby) and Linda Huddy have bred the right mares to the stallion and have had really good success. I don’t think that anyone who sends a mare to Lucas this year will be disappointed.” Standing at a fee of just $5,500 inc GST, Lucas Cranach has proven to be a great source of winners including wide-margin metropolitan winners like Dark Alley, Get Stuck In, Advance Warning, Stealthy Lucas and Arty Lucas. Levena Park will offer two key promotions for Lucas Cranach in 2020 as follows: 1/“Lucas Lotto”- Broodmare owners have the chance to access Lucas Cranach at 50% of his advertised service fee. Book a mare to Lucas Cranach, nominate whether you want a colt or a filly, and pay 50% of the advertised fee on 45-day PPT. If the resultant foal is the preferred outcome, the balance is due on live foal, if the foal is not the outcome they were seeking, there’s no more to pay! 2/ Breed a Stayer- Healthy discounts are available for broodmares that are city performed at 1600m+ or that have previously visited Americain, Fiorente, Dandino or Puissance De Lune. Mare bookings via Mick Sharkie mick@lenevapark.com.au or Mitch Brown mitch@lenevapark.com.au |
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Hello,
maybe you are interested to read 'Lucas Cranach' and 'Shamus Award' are both tracing to "Kisasszony" (by Lord Clifden), the oldest still existing German female family in the German Studbook. Around the 1940's a "second" branch was developed via "Lenchen" (by Ansitz), Lucas Cranach and Shamus Award via "Athene" (by Ariel). Just to make it more obvious do a "Hypomating" by 6 Generations of Aroma (Shamus Award) and Loire (Lucas Cranach) regards, Ticino
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Heartbroken to lose this amazing lad yesterday. Lucas Cranach died following a freak accident on the farm. Such a gentle, kind horse, he certainly changed my life & I am forever grateful. A huge thanks to Malcolm Boyd & LenevaP for all the love & care they gave him in retirement |
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Just had a $31 winner at Naracoorte
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Hello,
very sad to read about the passing of 'Lucas Cranach' after a Paddock accident, such unlucky things happen. Just to make it even worse, I wrote recently a short info about his breeding Background. Hope , his still unraced progeny will keep his name alive at Australian racetracks. regards, Ticino
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