Lloyd Williams

djebel wrote: Sunline wrote: I have no idea how after many, many posts you still haven't understood what I don't like about it. This is really my last post on it because it just gets worse and worse. All I can see is opinion, no facts.

Looks clear as crystal to me .
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Lloyd Williams takes responsibility as the boss at Macedon, but not as the trainer
By Chris Roots
Updated19 November 2017 -

Everyone knows that owner Lloyd Williams is the boss at Macedon Lodge and everyone knows that he likes to have a trainer in place to fulfil the raceday roles. But that doesn't mean that Williams is not responsible for his horses under the rules of racing.

Williams' exact role is being talked about again

The Trainer at Macedon Lodge is licenced by Racing Victoria's licensing committee. The training set-up at Macedon Lodge is not dissimilar to how things work at Godolphin. During the stewards' inquiry into the strangles case earlier , it became clear that then trainer John O'Shea was an employee of Godolphin and not the prime decision-maker. He and then Australian general manager Henry Plumptre were eventually fined by stewards for their roles in not reporting a suspected case of strangles.

For any breach of the rules, the trainer has a responsibility to answer the questions from the stewards and is the starting point of any investigation. But the stewards will also consider how decisions are made at a certain stable, as was shown during the strangles inquiry.

The same logic would apply to Macedon Lodge, which means Williams would have to front the stewards if there was ever a breach of the rules.

Williams left no illusions as to who was in charge of his operation on the Big Sports Breakfast , even going as far as to say the trainer issue had been cleared up more than 20 years ago.

"You're talking to the head trainer here," Williams said. "There has always been a lot of controversy as to who trains the horses hasn't there?

"The blueprint emanates right here. I'm chairman and chief executive, I decide how the horses will work and how we will feed them and all those sorts of things. I have people up there who execute it, that is what happens."

Williams, however, made it clear that his new trainer would also be hands on.

Carioca wrote: I have just gone through the 3 categories of trainers in Vic., A, general, restricted, no sign of his name on any list lol it's a title he has given himself, so until he gets the official paper work and badge in his hand he is not the trainer,...baseball bat please, I'm ready lol. But if you read that bit of nothingness in the story above the first line says it all.

It isn't "nothingness" , it is clear he employs staff, including a Registered trainer to follow his instructions.    . The responsibility of adhering to the rules would be determined by stewards as he clearly states.
   If it wasn't within the rules of racing it wouldn't be happening.
Lloyd doesn't need a Trainer's License , He is paying for one to fulfill that role, under his instruction.

Bonjour :-    Tongue in cheek you are .     

The man has horses with numerous Trainers .    His own establishment has a choice .        . He employs a Registered Trainer for the organising of daily Stable functions,    Qualified and Registered to function within the strict Rules of training. Organising and supervising staff and facilitating training under the instruction of his employer Mr Williams.
Lloyd Williams does pay the bills ,   Owns the establishment and the Livestock.        . Is he not entitled to be termed the Boss.
He doesn't even allow his Stable staff to speak to media on his behalf , Is he displeasing people over that too.

lol

FOOLS .   Common sense tells us that what Lloyd does is common practice around the World .
     No debate necessary ..    He will continue for however long he wishes.
I do the same at home .     My Trainer has the kids , feeds them and administers all household duties.   Cuts the lawns and prepares all meals .        But I'm the Boss ----     or was until she reads this.

maccamax wrote: Bonjour :-    Tongue in cheek you are .      The man has horses with numerous Trainers .    His own establishment has a choice .        . He employs a Registered Trainer for the organising of daily Stable functions,    Qualified and Registered to function within the strict Rules of training. Organising and supervising staff and facilitating training under the instruction of his employer Mr Williams. Lloyd Williams does pay the bills ,   Owns the establishment and the Livestock.        . Is he not entitled to be termed the Boss. He doesn't even allow his Stable staff to speak to media on his behalf , Is he displeasing people over that too.

Bonjour wrote: maccamax wrote: Bonjour :-    Tongue in cheek you are .      The man has horses with numerous Trainers .    His own establishment has a choice .        . He employs a Registered Trainer for the organising of daily Stable functions,    Qualified and Registered to function within the strict Rules of training. Organising and supervising staff and facilitating training under the instruction of his employer Mr Williams. Lloyd Williams does pay the bills ,   Owns the establishment and the Livestock.        . Is he not entitled to be termed the Boss. He doesn't even allow his Stable staff to speak to media on his behalf , Is he displeasing people over that too. Max his trainer is licensed, not registered, there is a vast difference, if you have ever been licensed you would understand the stringent conditions placed on us.......Lloyd by his very admission is a trainer, therefore he is breach of the rules of racing as he is not licensed by the appropriate body.....if he is not sanctioned/fined.whatever then RV are in breach of their own governance ordinance.

You have your facts wrong

As a matter of fact I do have a trainers license.

LOL. I recall the faxes of instructions that Lloyd used to send one of his trainers years ago. Said fax included feeding and work instructions. Those faxes made a trip to the bin as soon as they arrived every day. Lloyd paid the bills but he sure didn't tell that trainer what to do. Needless to say the relationship concluded in spite of considerable success on the trainers part. 

Magnolian Khan wrote: As a matter of fact I do have a trainers license. Your facts are Wrong in regards to Lloyd calling himself a 'trainer' That is not what was said.

What did he say then?

What he said!....and I'm outa here.....no more on this for me, it's doing my head in =Ciao.

This is hurting my eyes

At the end of the day, the stewards and Integrity department won’t do a thing even if there is evidence he is trainer or breaching the rules of racing.. RV will never ‘investigate’ Lloyd EOS.... Particularly after his multiple cheerleading pages he took out in the HS after the Chief Stewards (yet to be resolved) shooting all those years ago.. maybe Lloyd with his power and influence could help Bailey with this unsolved mystery that he and the police seem to have forgotten about?

Why doesn’t Nick have a trainers license?

Liam Howley officially became Lloyd Williams' private trainer on Friday after Racing Victoria announced it was comfortable with the training arrangements at the millionaire owner's Mt Macedon property.

Chief executive Giles Thompson earlier this week announced that RV would 'revisit' the training regime after claims on radio from Williams that he was in fact the trainer of the team.

But on Friday RV declared: RV Stewards remain comfortably satisfied that Mr Williams is continuing to operate in the role of an Executive Chairman of Hudson Conway Racing and that Mr Howley, as general trainer, will be responsible for the day-to-day management of all horses in training at Macedon Lodge - Hudson Conway Racing's private training property."

Howley takes over the reins immediately from Robert Hickmott, who is leaving Mt Macedon after nine years as a head trainer.

Williams was inducted into racing's Hall Of Fame last year and earlier this month won his sixth Melbourne Cup as an owner when the Irish horse Rekindling nosed out his stablemate Johannes Vermeer.