Americain

I think he will do well, the Dynaformer adds a bit different to the pedigree for the mares out here. Still umming and ahhing about sending one to him. Really want to, but already possibly paying out quite a bit on other service fees.

Struggling to find much love for this horse's chances. Very stout and more in the vein of Tawriffic and Kingston Rule rather than successful sires like Jeune. Didn't win a Group race until 4, most performances at 3000m+....he is arguably too stout even for NZ.

Probably should be on the Irish National Hunt roster

His damsire was a very fast horse but a relative failure at stud.

Secretariat has a 90% chance of being correct, I hope he isn't though.

He does belong to the same family as High Chaparral. They both decend from Chelandry's daughter Skyscaper - same as the Australian speed influence Zeditave and that unfortunate mare we were trying to find a home for in another thread.

High Chaparral was by Sadler's Wells who has pleanty of sons siring National Hunt horses but it is still desired blood. High Chaparral and Americain both had a 1400m win as a two year old. Of course Zeditave beats them both hands down as a two year sprinter.

This is also the Australian branch line of Melito which argues well for all the Redoute's and Danehill blood which is out there.

There is alot against any stallion making it at stud and a stayer more than most but there is speed in this family. Most are milers so that background is also there.

Ultimately none of us know and true most fail but history suggests this horse has little chance.

Comparing him to Sadler's Wells is folly as Sadler's Wells was a grades better racehorse as both a 2 and 3yo.

Comparing him to Jeune and At Talaq is folly as both of them were fast stayers and from memory both won group 1's in Australia over 1400 metres.

He can only be compared like for like with horses like Tawriffic, Kingston Rule and Natski. They were all genuine stayers that went to stud and did very little.

He is going to get mainly sprinting mares here so what will he produce?? Horses too slow to sprint and with not enough stamina to stay.

If he can't get early horses his chances of staying commercial are negligible, unless of course he is another Zabeel (who mind due was a miler as a racehorse)

Anyway I'm probably wrong and as an outcross stallion he would be a very welcome success story if it was possible. Good luck to those that breed to him.

What we'll never know is how he'd've performed had he been Oz trained from a young horse, yes, he may well have gone amiss but he also may have performed brilliantly over the1400/ mile/2000m that his breeding suggests was quite feasible Smile

Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!

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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!

I really like him as a stallion prospect.

Even getting 2YO winners! First starter - it wins impressively running away over 1200m.

Melbourne Cup winner Americain wins with his first starter as a stallion @WoodbineRacing as Folk Magic impressed on the turf @CalumetFarm

Video below.

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/race-replays/0/201607231749WOT10/

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Now the interesting one in Fair Eva is her 5th dam Sister Shannon. She was Serenissima 5f x 5f, Scapa Flow 5m x 5m and Gleam 4f x 5f all great or very good mares. She didn't let the team down producing a great one herself in Temperence Hill (Belmont S, Travers S and The Jockey Club Gold Cup).

You wouldn't say his progeny are flooding to the racetrack, but that was a nice debut from Aspen Angel on Saturday.

Runs in the old Super Impose silks for a small time trainer, so hopefully they knock the maiden off in the midweeks before any delusions of grandeur set in.

Red Hare wrote:

You wouldn't say his progeny are flooding to the racetrack, but that was a nice debut from Aspen Angel on Saturday.

Runs in the old Super Impose silks for a small time trainer, so hopefully they knock the maiden off in the midweeks before any delusions of grandeur set in.

I like what I saw on Saturday.

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@SwettenhamStud 4h

Lot 287 - Americain ex The Gem - filly pic.twitter.com/eac1J7IxxT

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Winner in France overnight.

AMERICAIN WOMAN (FR)

Chestnut filly 2014

Americain Bay or brown 2005	Dynaformer Bay or brown 1985	Roberto Bay 1969	Hail to Reason Brown 1958	Turn-To Nothirdchance	1951 1948	1-w 4-n
		Roberto Bay 1969	Bramalea Bay or brown 1959	Nashua Rarelea	1952 1949	3-m 12-c
		Andover Way Bay or brown 1978	His Majesty Bay 1968	Ribot Flower Bowl	1952 1952	4-l 4-d
		Andover Way Bay or brown 1978	On the Trail Bay 1964	Olympia Golden Trail	1946 1958	4-p 4-r
	America Chestnut 1997	Arazi Chestnut 1989	Blushing Groom Chestnut 1974	Red God Runaway Bride	1954 1962	8-c 22-d
		Arazi Chestnut 1989	Danseur Fabuleux Bay 1982	Northern Dancer Fabuleux Jane	1961 1974	2-d 7>
		Green Rosy Bay or brown 1984	Green Dancer Bay 1972	Nijinsky Green Valley	1967 1967	8-f 16-c
		Green Rosy Bay or brown 1984	Round the Rosie Bay 1973	Cornish Prince Rosayya	1962 1952	1-s 1-n
Sister Rocks Bay 2009	Rock Hard Ten Bay or brown 2001	Kris S Bay or brown 1977	Roberto Bay 1969	Hail to Reason Bramalea	1958 1959	4-n 12-c
		Kris S Bay or brown 1977	Sharp Queen Bay 1965	Princequillo Bridgework	1940 1955	1-b 10-a
		Tersa Bay or brown 1986	Mr Prospector Bay 1970	Raise a Native Gold Digger	1961 1962	8-f 13-c
		Tersa Bay or brown 1986	Peacefully Grey 1973	Jacinto Morning Calm	1962 1962	14-c A1
	Serena's Sister Bay or brown 1994	Rahy Chestnut 1985	Blushing Groom Chestnut 1974	Red God Runaway Bride	1954 1962	8-c 22-d
		Rahy Chestnut 1985	Glorious Song Bay 1976	Halo Ballade	1969 1972	2-d 12-c
		Imagining Bay 1983	Northfields Chestnut 1968	Northern Dancer Little Hut	1961 1952	2-d 4-r
		Imagining Bay 1983	Image Intensifier Grey 1971	Dancer's Image Pat's Irish	1965 1954	4-r 7>

Ancestor duplications:

Roberto

3m x 4m

Blushing Groom

4m x 4m

Northern Dancer

5f x 5m

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