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lulu
Champion Joined: 20 Feb 2011 Status: Offline Points: 1298 |
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I see he has been retired. Where do you think he will stand and for how much?
I hope he stands in Oz somewhere Hopefully here in Vic. Smashing looking horse.
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Run For Fun
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Arguably better in NZ/France.
For better or worse won't attract much of a book in Oz imo.
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MichaelM
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Victoria would be the logical place for him to stand if he goes to stud in Australia as they seem to have the best racing program for stayers of all the states. Wouldn't imagine he will stand for anymore than $5k-$6k. Fear he may end up back in France as a jumps stallion eventually, hope I'm wrong.
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lulu
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Vividly remember him walking past me at Moonee Valley. Not knowing who he was I remarked what a gorgeous animal that was. On finding out who he was I backed him in the resultant Moonee Valley cup. He was later slaughtered in the Melbourne Cup.
I would send him a mare or two, definately. |
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Ash
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Will shuttle between the U.S and either Vic /Nsw according to Ryan.
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AussieOi
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Really hope thats true, i would definately send him a mare or two!
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bradjm
Champion Joined: 13 Mar 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 6175 |
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I think he's a lovely stallion prospect, you won't be able to sell progeny initially but let's hope he's here long enough to get a reasonable chance
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Spearmint
Champion Joined: 21 Feb 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1468 |
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My guess would be at a place like Swettenham in Vic at a fee of about $12k. It will be tough going but he is by Dynaformer. a good looking type of thoroughbred and classy racehorse. I think he has something to offer and could possibly make it as a stallion
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"Nothing in the world is so powerful as an idea whose time has come"
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lulu
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Interesting choice Spearmint. It might take a leap of faith for one of the leading Vic studs to have a crack with him. 12 months ago his stocks were no doubt higher, and his fee would have been too.
Something about him though that I really do like.
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acacia alba
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LOL. i vividly remember him sauntering past me out in the forest gallops at Chantilly ! he looked such a stunner I ask, just tongue in cheek, "is that Americain "? and when they said YES, I couldnt believe my luck ! what a stunner ! |
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animals before people.
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don
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At his age it is difficult to see a commercial stud career or the ability to generate sufficient to cover shuttling costs.Nice horse though.
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bradjm
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If he's a reasonable price I've already got him picked out for pom pom girl.
She's a big powerful mare from the same female family, on types I should end up with an impressive specimen |
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Quezacotl
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I really do hope he stays around in Australia, we need these sires down here weather they are commercially viable now or not, in time they will be very important, why has the industry decided that it has no patience anymore..it really pisses me off that we have lost the art of patience and being able to see further into the future than 6 months and return and on investment.
I'd send a mare/s to Americain every year if he stayed around these parts, wish I had the coin to buy him outright as a stallion, I would buy him and stand him here permanently myself. |
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SPRINTER SACRE - "SIMPLY THE BEST"
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jayzaa
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Heard a whisper. Swettenham. Been discussing it for a while, I believe
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SJW
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Good on them. If you build it they will come. He would attract a lot of very good mates even if primarily breed to race. 12k is about right, no more though. Are there any other affordable dynafirmer stallions in the country?
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Gee Gee
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The industry needs staying stallions. This guy would be perfect to kick it off. SYT will get some of the best mares. Green Moon to follow suit.
May be a low service fee, over time, I can see him producing great classic and cups types. As mentioned on retro. With the influx of euro imports, race clubs should all re-install the major city 2 mile cups. |
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Spearmint
Champion Joined: 21 Feb 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1468 |
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Just read on RVL website that He will stand in the USA and shuttle to Australlia at a stud either in NSW or Victoria!!!
Funny thing is when you click on the link in the announcement about the profile of Americain,
it takes you to his bio and it says he is an 8 yo GELDING
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"Nothing in the world is so powerful as an idea whose time has come"
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Lordy
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a gelding at stud. what a scam.
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vontastic
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Melbourne Cup winner Americain (USA) will stands his first season at Calumet Farm in Kentucky in 2013, his fee set at $20,000.
Calumet Farm purchased a half share in the son of Dynaformer from Australian owners Gerry and Val Ryan and Kevin and Colleen Bamford. No announcement on his Australian stud plans have been made. |
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Spearmint
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Bingo!!! Just announced he will stand at Swettenham at a fee of $12.5k!!! Hope he gets his chance
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"Nothing in the world is so powerful as an idea whose time has come"
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Sequi
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Well done Spearmint
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AussieOi
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At that price i definately think he will get a great chance. Now to find a nice mare for him Who suits Dynaformer??
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Fiddlesticks
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A little expensive in the current climate don't y'all think ?
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Panspermia.
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bradjm
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They'll probably deal, makes him attractive if you are looking to breed that miler middle distance horse where all the prize money is.
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Fiddlesticks
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Would of thought around 8-10k was more in line with his worth, but if doing deals, will probably get you that anyways ??
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Panspermia.
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Mental
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Swettanham? It was nice knowing ya americain
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Sequi
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Im sure there will deals to be done.
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jayzaa
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Bound to have an early bird special.
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mouse
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lovely staying horse,a little bit dear for mine! could become another at talaq or jeune though!
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maxamill
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Don't think americain will have a one string bow as he is from mighty dynaformer who has a vey good record of producing 2yr olds and most of his runners were from 1400 to 1800 although his real elite were 2000 to 3200 and arazi produces both as well 12 k or there abouts isn't over the top IMO given what a lot of lesser performed stallions command more he will get a good book no probs there
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