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Beliskner
Champion Joined: 10 Apr 2015 Location: Victoria Status: Offline Points: 4236 |
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If the reporters aren't putting out the specifics, its almost certainly because their employers legal arm have told them not to.
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anabel
Champion Joined: 29 Mar 2012 Location: VIC Status: Offline Points: 1521 |
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Of course not. It doesn't make them any less guilty. |
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skippy123
Champion Joined: 07 Dec 2015 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 1526 |
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It is of great interest clinically if there are other positives present as the stats surrounding levels exceeding thresholds etc being so tiny would/could possibly be reviewed.. The circumstances surrounding them would be interesting, the actual levels recorded etc, explanations why/how the threshold was exceeded..
Especially if these trainers are cleanskins with no rumours etc surrounding them or their horses... |
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3blindmice
Champion Joined: 22 Oct 2012 Status: Offline Points: 18105 |
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What a strange brace of questions. If a couple of high profile businessmen embezzle is it less offensive if more are involved? Is it more acceptable if a team of athletes is on drugs rather than one or two individuals? The answer seems obvious but humans are a weird bunch at times.
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Lordy
Champion Joined: 22 May 2010 Location: Sunshine State Status: Offline Points: 13887 |
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As i said earlier. Comes across as yet another attemped diversion.
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rusty nails
Champion Joined: 20 Mar 2013 Location: Sydney Status: Offline Points: 11400 |
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Yep,
When you get caught DUI by the booze bus. You dont get a discount from the magistrate if a lot of other people hot caught as well! |
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Bonjour
Champion Joined: 25 Feb 2010 Status: Offline Points: 8402 |
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C'mon everyone, dig deep, forget Ben, he's got plenty, but KAV JNR needs a leg up, what say we all hit our kicks, Gerry is, good old Gerry, while we're at it, Let's all drop in to HN and pick up a tele, or a fridge, lets support Gerry as he goes into bat for poor old Sam, he'll need heaps cos Gerry has lots of slow ones, and if anyone can improve a slow one...it's Sam K......or Ben C........or Darren S....or Ben S....oh God, stop me.....it's mind bending.
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Xavier
Champion Joined: 27 Jul 2016 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 3660 |
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Apparently he might be coming back sooner than planned?
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Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes
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TIGER
Champion Joined: 23 Feb 2007 Status: Offline Points: 8533 |
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Racing industry gets better by the day
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EAD
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theshu25
Champion Joined: 25 May 2015 Location: Brisbane Status: Offline Points: 252 |
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I keep thinking back to all the coverage this Christmas pudding was getting in all the papers and on tv,then all the truth comes out.I personally think he made all the reporters and tv idiots look like total fools.Gee they must have some front these scumbags that get caught cheating then come back as though nothing happened.
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VOYAGER
Champion Joined: 03 Aug 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 18737 |
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The problem is the Gai Waterhouse effect.
Before she took the AJC to court, whatever the race club decided was the decision. Now if you are suspended or disqualified you can fight it and if the investigation or evidence is corrupted in anyway you will have to be reinstated. Racing survives on integrity and perception. And judges who probably have never seen a race track or horse, at these VCAT'S AND QCAT'S, are quite within their right to reverse a decision on legal issues, however the racing jurisdiction, should also have the right to reject a persons application, if their conduct and image is detrimental to the industry. Kavanagh and Currie, may be legally able to return to training but the clubs have enough to deny them reinstatement on integrity grounds. However the fact Gai took the AJC to court has them all running scared, so they just let them in. I can tell you now, I will not be betting in any race that Currie or Kavanagh have runners in! |
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Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise
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Bonjour
Champion Joined: 25 Feb 2010 Status: Offline Points: 8402 |
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Good on you Voyager, and so say all of us!.....just wish there was a nation wide movement, a shoulder to arms so to speak by the not only punters, but the rank and file amongst us to deride and and deter these people from re-entering our industry. Why get up each morning at sparrows to look across the lane to see a ''reformed' cheat tying up opposite you? Note I say reformed cheat, I don't think you can rehabilitate someone that loads up horses, or harps up........alleged at this moment of course!
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skippy123
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Some may say better the devil you know....
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Carioca
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I must say Voyager when Gai applied for her license she was a " cleanskin" , her only problem came from being the spouse of a disqualified person, Her fathers health was failing and he encouraged her to apply, after being told she would be a shoo in to be successful was knocked back because of the "spouse issue" , she then went to the Equal Opportunity Committee which overturned the decision, she's clean not like this pair of rubbish.
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Straight arrow
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Was there something about this kav kid, that involved tipping horses to media or telling the public that his could not win? I remember something? TVN reporters being involved?
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skippy123
Champion Joined: 07 Dec 2015 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 1526 |
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Gai is clean? |
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skippy123
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Brent Zerafa got penalised- ?? publicly tipped against a horse he had privately backed and had text tips from John ‘The Ghost’ Camilleri on his phone.. Camilleri was implicated in drenching the horses iirc?? |
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Carioca
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Do you know different? lol...compared to these two she is beyond reproach. |
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Bonjour
Champion Joined: 25 Feb 2010 Status: Offline Points: 8402 |
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Agree, chalk and cheese......I'd give a horse to Gai, I'd give a rocket to these two.......Sam, I'll never forget the laugh, thought we were all below him, like his old man......how does it go? never forget those you meet on the way up, cos sure as hell, you'll meet em on the way down......#FOCKERS
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starcraft
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Glencoe
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Anyone care to recount stories on Sam's nefarious practices from his former trackriders. I know some first hand. They are illuminating . But I doubt anyone who knows what Sam used to do would be shocked
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JudgeHolden
Champion Joined: 16 Apr 2011 Status: Offline Points: 11729 |
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According to who? The courts have overriding jurisdiction, as they must. Clubs can't just act as emperor. They've been embarrassed by this cobalt thing, but that's because their rules and processes were so dreadful to start with. F*ck them.
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