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lotto7
Champion Joined: 14 Jan 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1138 |
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Apart from Brazen Beau he has thrown a group 2 winner, a group 3 winner and a couple of listed winners. This season he has a couple of listed winners and sits 28th on the sires list behind the likes of Al Maher, Husson, Blackfriars, Magnus and co. Would not like to have a mare in foal to him at $55k at the moment despite the fact they have sold well enough this year. Really needs to get his skates on.
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tally
Champion Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 380 |
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I wish I had couple
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furious
Champion Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Status: Offline Points: 25170 |
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Win here win there they win everywhere. And the sales ring has become even more hot for him this season.
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Carioca
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furious
Champion Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Status: Offline Points: 25170 |
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Yep been following it but outside barrier really stuffed it's chances tomorrow. I call this the like to like pedigree. Danzig, Canny Lad, Sharpen Up, Sir Ivor, Double Sure, Zeditave 1n to I am Invincible's 1n family. Really well thought out pedigree and glad it worked.
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furious
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And yes Canny Lad is there twice but 3 x 5 isn't anything as close as the 2 x 3 which have worked against Canny as alot of his daughters kept going to Redoute's and son as well.
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.Swynford.
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furious
Champion Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Status: Offline Points: 25170 |
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check out the pedigree numbers list Swyford. I list the I am Invincibles I followed out of the sales. First year included Illustrious Lad, Voodoo Lad, Silvent Whisper, Uratta Belle with their black type. Next season best from four were I Told Georgie and Invincible Heart. 2013 the prices were getting dearer again so I pice Ecksein from the weaning sales and Show Bender also which has had a win. While from the yearling sales Rafha's Choice and Sundance and three others. I'm skipping the double Bletchingly male cross till something comes out and is better that the ones I've had with that cross. The m x f seems better.
2014 crop I'm following only have three starters = Invincible Star, Houtzen and Luiza. I also picked a cheap weaning from the Fanfreluche family I Am Twisted but don't expect much from that one. The 1-n cross is working. But there are plenty of other entries into I am Invincibles pedigree for successful crosses and he has no Danehill (only the one Danzig line) so that helps also.
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furious
Champion Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Status: Offline Points: 25170 |
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Look at the pedigrees from the MM sales. Some interesting cheaper ones include the Kylie $100K, Octavia $200K, the sister to Invincible Star $230K, Most Secret $170K, Viennese Lass $240K (different but very interesting from the Snitzel family), Quality Impulse (once again not obvious but interesting with the Green Desert/Danehill cross and the Bold Promise family) $120K
So you didn't have to just go for the $500+ lots although I had to knock Is Amazing and Furline out there. Have to probably knock down the above depending on sales throughout the year but the class of mare is definately better that previous years.
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tillyras
Champion Joined: 11 Oct 2012 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 7540 |
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My other half has just signed up for a share in the I am Inv x Most Secret filly. She is going to be trained by Mick Price. Exciting times ahead .
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Carioca
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100% clearance rate , gotta be happy with that too.
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furious
Champion Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Status: Offline Points: 25170 |
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All off a $27,500 service fee. No wonder none have been passed in. The least sold is still making a profit for the breeders.
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furious
Champion Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Status: Offline Points: 25170 |
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Seven runners today. 1st in the 2yo, 2nd in the Fillies & Mares and in the Last race, 3rd in the 3yo, 4th in the 1st race, 5th in the Cup and 6th in the 2yo. They all ran well.
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Rosscoe
Champion Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Brisbane Status: Offline Points: 6124 |
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Current Stable - Soul Star & Adivinar + Lady Vega
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Second Chance
Champion Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Status: Offline Points: 45760 |
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Agree guys, though refer an earlier post from Furious.
The Canny Lad cross can be great, but only in recessed.
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furious
Champion Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Status: Offline Points: 25170 |
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Don't wont those leg issues past on. So wait those few generations. Make sure the legs are right then try it.
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djebel
Premium Joined: 07 Mar 2007 Status: Offline Points: 53960 |
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What were the leg issues Canny Lad passed on ?
He had very full 2yo and 3yo seasons he had to be a tough sound horse to do what he did on the race track.
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reductio ad absurdum
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furious
Champion Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Status: Offline Points: 25170 |
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He was trained off the beach because of something to do with his legs djebel. Don't know what but I know there were issues. Whether he injured himself I don't know. But close crosses have not worked - on the whole. But three/three, three/four or further back have started to work quite well. Similar to what happened with Biscay.
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Rosscoe
Champion Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Brisbane Status: Offline Points: 6124 |
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Yep, grab the Canny Lad cross at least 3 generations back .....
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Current Stable - Soul Star & Adivinar + Lady Vega
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goldey
Champion Joined: 29 Dec 2012 Location: cairns Status: Offline Points: 5940 |
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By my calcs he is no1 sire by earnings tomorrow .
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furious
Champion Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Status: Offline Points: 25170 |
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Yep. Won't be there long because Winx is a Champion but it's certainly a tick in his box.
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Bushy
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He will go to $100k plus this season is my prediction
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Ringlock
Champion Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1759 |
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From The Australian:
Gerry Harvey isn’t a gambler. Although he has invested a fortune in the Australian racing industry, the billionaire retailer never likes to risk his money to chance. It should come as no surprise then that Harvey recently made one-time battling bookie Ray Gall an offer that most couldn’t refuse for his stallion I Am Invincible, who has become Australia’s hottest property on hind legs. Despite naming a price that, according to Gall, equated to $30 million for his half-share in the stallion, he refused to sell. Instead, Harvey had to settle for breeding rights to the horse, a deal that will give him one prized foal every year. It is the surest thing in racing that some of them will be future winners. Bought by Gall, who works as a printer, for just $67,000 as a colt in 2006, the handsome bay won four races from nine starts and retired with career winnings of $270,050. In the breeding barn, the horse has become an internationally acclaimed superstar, this season siring a staggering 93 winners from 177 individual starters. No horse in Australia is siring a higher ratio of winners from starters. A modest service fee of $10,000 six years ago has risen to $55,000 and is expected to climb into six figures by the time the next breeding season comes around in the spring. Track stars sired by I Am Invincible have won $7.2m, including stakes winners Brazen Beau, Illustrious Lad and I Am a Star. “He took off from day one,” said Gall, who owns the horse with his son Brett. “Just about all of his progeny have made the racetrack and they are not just speedsters — he’s thrown horses that can run a mile.” Such is the demand for I Am Invincible’s service, Gall insists on northern hemisphere brood mares flying to Australia instead of risking his super stud to international travel. “We decided not to shuttle him,’’ he said. “He’s been very good to us so we look after him.’’ |
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Lordy
Champion Joined: 22 May 2010 Location: Sunshine State Status: Offline Points: 13887 |
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2017 fee $110,000
Wow
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StormSiren
Champion Joined: 23 Jul 2015 Location: Canberra Status: Offline Points: 1808 |
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A big fee given just the two?? G1 winners... If he had sired the Golden Slipper winner maybe... will be interested to see how many bite at that end of the spectrum...
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Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It.
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Sir Gov
Champion Joined: 17 May 2016 Status: Offline Points: 2278 |
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Taking advantage of the strength in the ring! 2013 = $30k 2014 = $50k 2015 = $70k 2016 = $92.5k 2017 = $190k (with Easter still to come) If he is $110k - assume Snitzel is $220k
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furious
Champion Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Status: Offline Points: 25170 |
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I know Redoute's is an old man now but he's a $110K figure stallion with 30 G1 winners an Oak quinella at the weekend a very creditable third in the Derby at the weekend and the sire of the sire of the moment. I love I am Invincible but the figure is too high.
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Lordy
Champion Joined: 22 May 2010 Location: Sunshine State Status: Offline Points: 13887 |
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IAA is sitting well in the current sires premiership albeit boosted by Houtzen winning the MM 2yo. Last year however he was 21st on the sires list. Thats not really a position for a $110k stallion.
I've noticed his yearling stock are very forward types which often bring good money. On the track they all seem to go well as young horses and look exceptional coming through the grades. Haven't seen too many train on and improve as they get older yet. Maybe a telling fact that he hasn't really produced WFA winners. Now he's priced up at the pinnacle of Australian stallions it will be interesting to see how he goes from this point on. |
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Sir Gov
Champion Joined: 17 May 2016 Status: Offline Points: 2278 |
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His better bred types also just starting to come through. On balance he should improve
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