Chris Waller

Carioca wrote: Can't ever recall it, having said said that ...he had 1/5 of what Waller has in work and he didn't hang on to them as long as Waller does ( the ordinary ones ) if they didn't measure up he turfed them, in big races he would have had a few , but a lot is myth imo.

This is problem theme these days.

Look at the trainers of most of todays winners at Bathurst, they are Sydney trained horses, and these trainers are highish profile.

This simply would have been a rarity not so long ago.

These trainers should be getting rid of them if they can not win maidens in or around Sydney.

But no they hold onto them and bleed them dry. Their owners, when dispersing them will get very little.

mowie wrote: 3blindmice wrote: Didn't win again from memory. Now that IS smelly any way you look at it. omg don't tell me you are on board the waller is a cheat train finally 3blindmice   better late then ever. in for a big spring is waller good luck to the man, funny he can't train a 3200 horse to save him self yet wins every 2400m race in nsw for the year,

billyjack wrote: Imagine if it was Weiry having 11 of 12 there would be non stop comments, but its the crook from Sydney not much said

I think Waller is long past having any shady dealings.     ... He has many owners with expectations ,   He has many Staff who usually get a spread of the rides and work.     He probably wouldn't see most horses in his care ,,,, once a week or two or 3.
   WINX the big exception.
I have NO fears about the numbers of horses him , Weir , Hayes , Cummings , Gai have ...    They usually run to form .
    Who would want to go back to the days of last to first Bart.   I'm sure he was born and educated around Glenrowan & Eurowa.

maccamax wrote: billyjack wrote: Imagine if it was Weiry having 11 of 12 there would be non stop comments, but its the crook from Sydney not much said I think Waller is long past having any shady dealings.     ... He has many owners with expectations ,   He has many Staff who usually get a spread of the rides and work.     He probably wouldn't see most horses in his care ,,,, once a week or two or 3.    WINX the big exception. I have NO fears about the numbers of horses him , Weir , Hayes , Cummings , Gai have ...    They usually run to form .     Who would want to go back to the days of last to first Bart.   I'm sure he was born and educated around Glenrowan & Eurowa.

That's my gut feeling also C. Don't know what the stats say but anecdotally plenty of his improve rapidly then just as rapidly don't repeat the effort. The pressure to keep thousands of owners happy might have something to do with that. 

Carioca wrote: With the average ones you are correct Bonfield.

That's why they are termed average ...   If they can be placed in a class where they are competitive or even get a run ,   They are fortunate.

Should they get the breaks and the bounce of the ball , they may even win one occasionally .        Keeps the owners happy while they wait for their "WINX" at the next yearling sales .        Keeps the staff happy and of course Waller gets as much per week to train all these average hay burners as he does for the very few who win more than a couple a year in town..

Glad to hear a couple of others think the Waller horses take it in turns. It's got to the point where I rarely back a Waller horse in Sydney. In fact I now do most of my betting in Melbourne. Waller is a big part of why I don't like betting on Sydney anymore.

Boom tish Carioca. That's usually my feeling whenever i see his multiple runners. David Hayes, Weir, Snowden are all much more upfront about their horses imo.  

Interesting Bonjour. My gut feeling is Waller favourites must be losing badly. I will have to run some stats to check.

Both Liam and Charley know more Bonjour. They all play their cards close to their chests though - unlike those I mentioned above. Peter Snowden is an excellent judge of his horses and their placement, David Hayes is pretty good, Weir less so, Waller down the bottom. Size and approach have something to do with that I suspect. Can't knock his ability though, esp with good ones.

Carioca wrote: maccamax wrote: Carioca wrote: With the average ones you are correct Bonfield. That's why they are termed average ...   If they can be placed in a class where they are competitive or even get a run ,   They are fortunate. Should they get the breaks and the bounce of the ball , they may even win one occasionally .        Keeps the owners happy while they wait for their "WINX" at the next yearling sales .        Keeps the staff happy and of course Waller gets as much per week to train all these average hay burners as he does for the very few who win more than a couple a year in town.. Be nice to know which "average" one to back if he's got half the field, what'cha reckon Macca.

Stick to the best company to punt on .

If people have Paranoia about "goers & non Goers" = They shouldn't be punting.
Even the best have to get the fortune of the Racing Gods to win.
Our mighty Winx fell in several times , when she could have been beaten by horses who haven't won since .
   Kementari lost all chance in the Doncaster when he found dead ends
, while Happy Clapper was getting dream favours along the rails .

Waller horses have many owners who expect his team to be doing their best . AND THEY ARE.        Fitness , Class & Fortune decides who wins = NOT WALLER.

The Black Typer Macca, the Black Typer.

Carioca wrote: Macca we are talking about "average" horses not top class, different kettle of fish imo, the only thing consistent with "average " horses are they are consistently average , forget the go or whoa conspiracy , when you have half a dozen starting in a race it's a minefield for the punter, the old "cup of tea race " applies.

Exactly....    Many don't bet during winter especially.

( My Black Typer was( Webster's Wish) Won STC Winter Cup 1991 ( Shayne Dye ), Placed Mckell Cup.. Where does the years go ???
Cassidy won several on it but I never liked the man or his company.
As a Result I gave away any future owner interests )

Seen a nice horse of Wallers win at Kembla recently ( maiden) next start at Rosehill slightly longer journey came from well back and win impressively, next start same track there was no money $3-90. - 5-50, weighted at 62kg fiddlesticks claims 2kg runs stone motherless ,bleeds both nostrils, stablemate wins the race and exported immediately , done punters a favour imo, ...the bleeder was Asterius,

One can only live in hope about that, Macca.   Sometimes I have my doubts.