CIARON MAHER

linghi11 wrote: Xavier wrote: To be fair to Ciaron he had the wool pulled over his eyes by someone he trusted..

I guess he does have a lot of wool on his head to be fair

Second Chance wrote: Someone above suggested Maher would start rigging races and using jiggers because he was once suspended for training horses for a banned fraudster. That's about as big a stretch as suggesting someone would start raping babies because he was once convicted of stealing a carton of cigarettes from the corner store.

Didn’t they win a G1 whilst he was out?

Second Chance wrote: Someone above suggested Maher would start rigging races and using jiggers because he was once suspended for training horses for a banned fraudster. That's about as big a stretch as suggesting someone would start raping babies because he was once convicted of stealing a carton of cigarettes from the corner store.

I am not sure if you were talking about me second, but just to clarify what I was saying.

Ciaron runs a huge operation already. He hired a person, as racing manager, who has shown himself, to be untrustworthy (not saying Maher deliberately knew he was untrustworthy, but you do not want any person of, lets say shady, character, anywhere near a stable), and you are saying that this person, who has had a pretty consistent presence in front of the stewards, is the one to be allowed to take over the stable operations at Forest Lodge.

I am not saying he would use a jigger, but the administration side of his previous stables does leave a bit to be desired, and I would have thought the stewards would not want any smell, from the person who is to take this position.

The Stewards and Integrity department have signed off on him taking over.
They don’t have an issue with it... they have said that today.

If you didn't have horses with him, would you be defending him so adamantly?

Edited by Gay3 - 07 Feb 2019 at 5:22pm

I'm afraid Ciaron's ego may well usurp his sense of reality in all this, how many horses does he have now? 600 you think? am I close?........5 training establishments in VIC and 1 in SYD.......what's next? BNE? ADL even?......., Quote from Maher ''I strive to do the best I can for each individual horse''......this whole thing is turning into a circus, as an owner do you want your horse trained by the foreman? even with two of them, all it takes is a rogue stablehand, and Dr Geoff Chapman, learned Gentleman that he was, confessed, large stables always have that problem.......watching over that many? I wont say supervising because that's just plain impossible with those numbers. Time to get real, I'd never send one of mine to a behemoth ......you gotta be joking....IMO.

Xavier wrote: Ballarat stables will be run by Declan Maher (Ciaron’s brother) along with Simon McCartin (was Racing Manager for Weir)

That's why I love a boutique stable. Trainer is hands on, all the time

And this is why I still have fond memories of the past watching TJ overseeing his string on his white poney Every morning like clockwork, walking around that exercise ring at the half mile gap at Randwick at the hosing docks there would be brown paper soaked in anti- flogestine all over the floor ( many had been bandaged the night before) all hosed off before they worked , no flitting around the countryside to multiple y/sales, they were all there every morning McCarten, Jack Green , Harry Plant, Frank Dalton , Fil Allota, Peter Lawson, Moore Selwood, Jack Thompson, Mulley, Podmoore, Selkrig, I could go on but I would be boring, they were fun days as against the rat race of today made even harder by the social media angle bile that's spewed out by the uneducated masses and poor journo reporting. ( rant over)

I always thought that the X factor a trainer had, was his eye.
Ostensibly, they all have pretty much the same training programs.
It’s just a matter of whether this one needs a bit more work,or that one needs a few easy days.
How do they they provide this X factor on horses they never see working, or how it behaves around the stables?

Bonjour wrote: Carioca wrote: And this is why I still have fond memories of the past watching TJ overseeing his string on his white poney Every morning like clockwork, walking around that exercise ring at the half mile gap at Randwick at the hosing docks there would be brown paper soaked in anti- flogestine all over the floor ( many had been bandaged the night before) all hosed off before they worked , no flitting around the countryside to multiple y/sales, they were all there every morning McCarten, Jack Green , Harry Plant, Frank Dalton , Fil Allota, Peter Lawson, Moore Selwood, Jack Thompson, Mulley, Podmoore, Selkrig, I could go on but I would be boring, they were fun days as against the rat race of today made even harder by the social media angle bile that's spewed out by the uneducated masses and poor journo reporting. ( rant over) I'm sitting here a bit choked over your post Carioca.......thanks heaps........I didn't get to Oz until 73, so missed them at Randwick, and I headed to Canterbury anyway....a strong training centre still back then, even though JD had gone. But what I will say, watch FBI at Flemington made me realise how a big stable run by family could work....they were in their halcyon days then, Subzero was a yearling when I started training, but they were the benchmark......watching Leon run Cummings and Fennesy run CH's was also good as there was Daily communication, twice daily from the big boss's......and of course CH especially was back and forth and their horses were floated across from ADL Wed night to arrive Thur morning....precision stuff, magic staff that loved the boss and the horses......I envy you though Carioca, you saw champion trainers and champion horses....not what is masquerading as Champion trainers nowadays. #imposters.

Nice thoughts thank you Bonjour, yep apprenticed at Randwick 1957, seen a lot , learnt a bit lol, great gallopers from NZ too , Redcraze, Somerset Fair ( loved him) Ray Ribbon many others, Darby Munro was training there too (great bloke) when Tommy's horses got to the track they walked for 40 minutes around the exercise ring before working , then they went out in waves out to the middle , the " little general" was there on his pony barking orders to Moore, Ward , Swinton and the apprentices do this do that , strapper s on the ground rode them back to the stripping shed ( jocks would stay) out would come the next wave , when finished all walked again for 40 minutes then back to the stables, they all came together and left together , all ridden and leading one or strapper on pony having one each side, all staff at one of two boarding houses for breakfast at 8.am, I know I was eating there too, was going over to NZ in /58 to be with old Arthur Didham , lucky mum said NO lol, brrrr, the South Island, I was a foot soldier for twenty years , and licensed for over a decade, I've had my toe in the water , fond memories.

rusty nails wrote: I always thought that the X factor a trainer had, was his eye. Ostensibly, they all have pretty much the same training programs. It’s just a matter of whether this one needs a bit more work,or that one needs a few easy days. How do they they provide this X factor on horses they never see working, or how it behaves around the stables?

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Carioca wrote: Bonjour wrote: Carioca wrote: And this is why I still have fond memories of the past watching TJ overseeing his string on his white poney Every morning like clockwork, walking around that exercise ring at the half mile gap at Randwick at the hosing docks there would be brown paper soaked in anti- flogestine all over the floor ( many had been bandaged the night before) all hosed off before they worked , no flitting around the countryside to multiple y/sales, they were all there every morning McCarten, Jack Green , Harry Plant, Frank Dalton , Fil Allota, Peter Lawson, Moore Selwood, Jack Thompson, Mulley, Podmoore, Selkrig, I could go on but I would be boring, they were fun days as against the rat race of today made even harder by the social media angle bile that's spewed out by the uneducated masses and poor journo reporting. ( rant over) I'm sitting here a bit choked over your post Carioca.......thanks heaps........I didn't get to Oz until 73, so missed them at Randwick, and I headed to Canterbury anyway....a strong training centre still back then, even though JD had gone. But what I will say, watch FBI at Flemington made me realise how a big stable run by family could work....they were in their halcyon days then, Subzero was a yearling when I started training, but they were the benchmark......watching Leon run Cummings and Fennesy run CH's was also good as there was Daily communication, twice daily from the big boss's......and of course CH especially was back and forth and their horses were floated across from ADL Wed night to arrive Thur morning....precision stuff, magic staff that loved the boss and the horses......I envy you though Carioca, you saw champion trainers and champion horses....not what is masquerading as Champion trainers nowadays. #imposters. Nice thoughts thank you Bonjour, yep apprenticed at Randwick 1957, seen a lot , learnt a bit lol, great gallopers from NZ too , Redcraze, Somerset Fair ( loved him) Ray Ribbon many others, Darby Munro was training there too (great bloke) when Tommy's horses got to the track they walked for 40 minutes around the exercise ring before working , then they went out in waves out to the middle , the " little general" was there on his pony barking orders to Moore, Ward , Swinton and the apprentices do this do that , strapper s on the ground rode them back to the stripping shed ( jocks would stay) out would come the next wave , when finished all walked again for 40 minutes then back to the stables, they all came together and left together , all ridden and leading one or strapper on pony having one each side, all staff at one of two boarding houses for breakfast at 8.am, I know I was eating there too, was going over to NZ in /58 to be with old Arthur Didham , lucky mum said NO lol, brrrr, the South Island, I was a foot soldier for twenty years , and licensed for over a decade, I've had my toe in the water , fond memories.

A major Victorian stable is awaiting a series of COVID-19 test results after contact with a confirmed case.

Ciaron Maher Racing was testing a number of its staff on Wednesday and was still awaiting those results, while Racing Victoria said that it was assisting a stable at Ballarat. There is no immediate threat to the sport.

It became clear on Wednesday that the stable was dealing with a COVID-19 issue and Racing.com was told that testing was underway. 

Racing Victoria has an extensive and proactive COVID-19 system in place that have dealt with similar issues during the pandemic.

A jockey did not ride on Wednesday after attending a tier 2 site. He was still waiting his test results.

A Racing Victoria spokesman said they were working with the stable and the Ballarat Turf club.

�Racing Victoria (RV), in accordance with industry protocols and processes, has been working with a Ballarat racing stable and the Ballarat Turf Club (BTC) to manage a COVID incident related to that stable,� the spokesman said.

�RV and the stable have today facilitated COVID testing of the stable�s employees and other persons identified through the industry�s contact tracing process.

�RV and the BTC are implementing arrangements to ensure that appropriate care and exercise can be afforded to the stable�s horses by designated staff pending receipt of those test results.�