Michelle Payne

Geraldo wrote: I regard all jockeys as idiots.  That way, I never get upset with them.

I am the same, I rarely if ever let them bother me...

Race 2 - EASY WASTE PLATE - 1200 metres:

Vain Attraction - slow to begin and was then bumped by Flash Of Doubt which shifted out slightly at the start. Rider Michelle Payne reported that the mare was quite agitated pre-race and in her opinion this may have affected its performance; a post race veterinary examination revealed the mare to have the mild thumps.

James Bond Esq wrote: saintly96 wrote: So JBE, how did she go on Vain Attraction? You promised to critique her ride, I was looking forward to reading it, and the fallout from your opinion on it. I thought this thread would have been 15 pages by now (sorry if you have already stated your opinion and I have missed it). It was so bad, I didn't even think I needed to justify it by commenting. The only good positive thing I can say is; Michelle was lucky she didn't fall off.

           I have the answer to the mystery , why these people go on and on , they have dementia , they forget they have told us all about it about 40 times,   proof of it was ,when they told us about how bad one ride was multiple times , when asked what was the fault with the ride, they had forgotten what it was ,they had no answer at all, poor buggers ,sad really.

Fiddlesticks wrote: James wrote: Gay3 wrote: Race 2 - EASY WASTE PLATE - 1200 metres: Vain Attraction - slow to begin and was then bumped by Flash Of Doubt which shifted out slightly at the start. Rider Michelle Payne reported that the mare was quite agitated pre-race and in her opinion this may have affected its performance; a post race veterinary examination revealed the mare to have the mild thumps. Has won once out of it's last 17 runs and is a back marker. I would be more surprised if it won than if it lost. they may as well begin a cull in Australia and ship out any and all horses who are back markers to somewhere like Hong Kong or Singapore...they've got buckleys of winning races here the way the tracks are presented...

Terrible disease that dementia , our big race winners, Cox Plate , Caulfield Cup ,have you forgotten already , came from well back and wide.

hatch wrote: Terrible disease that dementia , our big race winners, Cox Plate , Caulfield Cup ,have you forgotten already , came from well back and wide.

they weren't won by Australian horses.

they were won by horses that were effectively 4 to 5 lengths better than any other horse in that field.

given the NORMAL racing on a day to day basis; Australian race tracks favour those horses in the top 4 or 5 who can effectively sit and sprint best.

subastral wrote: Its a skill to settle and race on pace. It is a flaw in a horse to not have the ability to race forward. They deserve to lose more than they win.

I think a lot of big race winners come from well back , Super Impose was a great finisher from well back .

In the Michelle Payne thread, racing in the back half of the field is poison and the best way to not win in Australia, but in the Gai thread it's all about her ruining horses by racing them onpace

Agreed. Gai seems to win lots.

Browndog wrote: In the Michelle Payne thread, racing in the back half <span style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px;">of the field</span> is poison and the best way to not win in Australia, but in the Gai thread it's all about her ruining horses by racing them onpace

You are more than aware there is a difference between racing on pace and leading at all costs, so don't play the dumb guy role, it doesn't suit you....although you have played it well in this thread.....

Browndog wrote: Not that tired, pathetic, arrogant old "If you don't agree with me, you must be having a lend" line? It gets a run often on these threads

No, more along the lines of misconstruing arguments to suit your point

James Bond Esq wrote: hatch wrote: Terrible disease that dementia , our big race winners, Cox Plate , Caulfield Cup ,have you forgotten already , came from well back and wide. they weren't won by Australian horses. they were won by horses that were effectively 4 to 5 lengths better than any other horse in that field.

unbelievably I'm going to have to agree with you there 100%...

Browndog wrote: In the Michelle Payne thread, racing in the back half of the field is poison and the best way to not win in Australia, but in the Gai thread it's all about her ruining horses by racing them onpace

that's not quite true Bee Dog...

she races ALL her horses on pace when quite likely a lot of them resent it and need time to come into a race from back a bit, she's a bully and forces them to race unnaturally, some like it and go on granted, but it's silly and arrogant to think every horse that comes in her yard will race successfully the same way..

that's the gripe..

If it is a 'flaw' to race horses back in the field, how else do you get horses to win, who are not naturally gifted with speed and acceleration, to race onpace in every instance?

Going for 4 in a row here...

but if I had horses who were great backmarkers, I would only race them in the cooler months, and I would pick and chose the tracks that favoured those that could come home from rearwards, the wet levels the tracks out and we can see more winners off the pace than on drier tracks...unfortunately the idiots here that love to move the rails around a lot, seem to do so more and more in winter, whish quite often negates this backmarker bias...clowns, they should never move the rail when the tracks are wet, simply allow the jockeys to find the best going period..