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well_rated
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Octy's brother sold for a record at the time, Lee Freedman had it, couldn't beat the pony home in jump outs, went to stud without a start, i think stands for very little now.
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Morgan Dollar
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Nice work on the stats - thanks
very interesting read thats for sure..
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Go The Dollar..!
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fritta101
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Allied Force wa the one of hayes that I was thinking of, not Equivocal, Thanks Andy
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mowie
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would of thought The Comedian is a epic failure atm.... won just over 60k an went for a mint,
an is a Gelding ouch!!
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chris Armstrong waller, *drugs are bad mkay
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Nocturnal
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Watsons Bay A 1.2 mill (fr memory)Royal academy Gelding won $128k most of his 14 wins have been in kalgoorlie
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The only problem with backing winners ? You never have enough on....
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Gee Gee
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interesting list Andy.
They are all failures, I guess only Time Thief got decent black type and can recoup his initial cost.
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Gee Gee
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What do you guys think of Rockstardom? colt by Gallilleo / Makybe Diva with Danny O'Brien.
He might get a 2000m race against his 3yo peers, but once he is 4 he has to race to at least a mile and a half to get going, but thats where the big money is nowadays.
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Coat Puller
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What was the one Bart had in the mid to late eighties.
Fortunato or something similar. Think it cost 1.5 mill. A record at the time and not that long after Paint The Stars.
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lotto7
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In my opinion one of the biggest flops would have to be Pillar Of Hercules (Dean Watt Dynamic Syndications) as a tried horse for $1.6m or $1.7m, doing buggar on the track after his purchase and then being sold at auction for less than $50k. (Hope he does well at stud for his new owners). You hear about the success of the big syndicators but they make some huge mistakes as well. What really irked me was Dynamic flogging off a relation to Pillar Of Hercules and boasting about his $1.6m price tag although they had already sold him for less than $50k! And this is allowed by the authorities. Lost any and all creditability after this stunt and makes it hard for the good syndicators.
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Wortel
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If mug punting is backing a favourite is buying a sales topper mug ownership?
Surely everybody knows by now that you're more likely to get the next big thing for under $100k than over $1mill?
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Campaspe
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What about Changingoftheguard? Purchased by Hayes from Aiden O'Brien, scratched from the Melbourne Cup on race morning (I think?), one run in the Autumn runs second-last, then they decide to geld him and he dies during the op. Ouch.
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Sunline
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The op probably saved them a fortune. I'm assuming he was insured for the sum paid.
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Sunline...simply supreme
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Shakamaker
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Andy, can you find out the purchase prices for all Group 1' winners this year, or at least the Spring carnival?
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Gee Gee
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Would like to see the stats.
I think the topliners are the ones in the 100K to 250K bracket
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Parky
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very interesting stuff
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pnclick
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Andy's list pretty much goes to show the chance of winning back anywhere near your purchase price on these expensive yearlings.
I don't think horses such as GOLDTOWN, VON COSTA DE HERO and WATSON'S BAY should be referred to as flops, more so very stupid prices paid for them by people with obviously too much money.
Goldtown was showing promise early on in Sydney, as did Watson's Bay in Melbourne. And I think alot of owners woud love to have horses win as much.
Waterhouse had one called GERONIMO (1 Million purhcase), which was subsequently purchased (for about 10k) by one of Eric Musgroves clients after a few starts in sydney. Was chatting to the 'new' owner who told me she'd got a real bargain. Not really, it was so slow, Musgrove wouldn't even let it race in his name and never won a cent in prizemoney for the new owner.
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Gee Gee
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Probably too early yet, but Mutamayez?
Looks like he walked out of Gais stable and joined Coyle
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andynr123
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Yeah I will, I'll do spring carnival first and work back. Black Caviar - $210k Wall Street - $100k Brazilian Pulse - $26k Americain - $225k (not as a yearling obviously) Sacred Choice - $40k Lion Tamer - not sold Star Witness - $150k So You Think - $110k Descarado - withdrawn from yearling sale, sold to Gai through private sale Yosei - passed in at $14.5k, reserve $15k Anacheeva - $110k More Joyous - not sold Zipping - $190k Herculian Prince - not sold Captain Sonador - $30k Secret Admirer - passed in at $38k, reserve $40k Erewhon - not sold Hay List - not sold? Response - $50k Any I've forgotten? |
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watarush
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dont really get too much in to the purchasing side of horses etc but one that comes to mind would be pillar of hercules. massive court room battles and bidding and so much hype. what did he end up going for? 1.8 mil was it? whats he won in stakes. absolute dud
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Fairest One
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Cheers Andy interesting. |
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Cmon Apparitions!!!
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andynr123
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Mentioned by lotto7 about 10 posts up. |
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Shakamaker
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Thanks Andy
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Skipper
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Not sure if he actually went through a sale or not but I remember a very close relation (if not a full brother) to Kingston Town racing in the early-mid 80's..No doubt would have commanded a huge premium but was an abysmal flop and an absolute nutter into the bargain..I remember being at Canterbury one day where he started fav (again), was leading to the furlong, then proceeded to jump the rail, eventually crashing through it..Not sure if he ever raced again after that display
John H may be able to help with the name...Think it was 'Private' something or other.
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andynr123
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Well there was Private Thoughts, a full brother to Kingston Town, couldn't call him a flop though, he won two black type races (although compared to the price, he may have been a flop).
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Rockinconi
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Horse called Prague sold for $1.2 million about 6 years ago and had a couple of runs for Hayes before being re- sold through a mixed sale for about $6000.
Has had 34 starts for 2 minor placings and $7945 in prizemoney.
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kingoath
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Grand Jardin may have turned the corner this prep with his new trainer over in Perth. His run just now was a cracker.
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Kingoath's Stable - Zadon, Spalato, Able Friend, Signoff
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djebel
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Are the 2 Sydney 2yo winners today considered cheapies ?
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reductio ad absurdum
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Apprentice Punter
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The Herald Sun did a table the other week about AFL draft position and average games played. I'd be interested to see the average prizemoney stats for horses purchased for under $10k, $10-$30K, $30k-$50k and so on.
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I'm a hack punter with a blog. Feel free to read it and rip on me/ give me advice/feedback/and or abuse
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The Insider
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Bet the boys from Coolmore, Arrowfield, Vinery & co do not stick this list up in their barn at the sales. The high prices are and have always been total rorts and stitch ups of wealthy owners. Take a wealthy new owner, a high profile trainer and high profile stud and you get a great sale. It would be interesting to see how many of the sale toppers were purchased by rich newbies
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Gee Gee
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Race 6 at Broadmeadow on Saturday.
Expensive field fighting out for $9100 in prizemoney
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