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marlin1
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heres mine,not the best of pics but shes pretty big,ill get a better one soon
C:\Documents and Settings\User\My Documents\My Pictures\the champ
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magic_idol
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Happy Fit Horses Win Races :-)
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marlin1
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marlin1
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could some one help me out with this mare i brought the other week,i think she had a nice shoulder and nice lenght of rein with big hind1/4s,very nice mover,if you guys could run your eye over her and tell me if you can see any faults or where she needs improvements i mite learn some thing
cheers and thanks for any info
david
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horsegears
Yearling Joined: 11 Jul 2009 Status: Offline Points: 141 |
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Marlin1, in my opinion.
Nice length limbs, closed shoulder joint with a very long blade. Back is a good even length, which is well supported by the even girth depth. Croup is leaner.
Good height x length ratio, fore is certainly the strength, consistent endurance and long striding traits throughout, nice type.
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marlin1
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thanks for that horsegears, what iv been reading on here i thought she was a pretty good type when i saw her, but wasnt sure, what people look for in a mare, shes very well built very strong looking horse,i think she mite need a taller leaner stallion with abit of leg under him,her legs are pretty short i thought,but she has a giant over stride,that turned me on,jus hopes she goes into foal early,thanks for the info appreciated
david
ps when do i change the paper work over to my name,on the stud book it says when i do a foal return,is this right
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horsegears
Yearling Joined: 11 Jul 2009 Status: Offline Points: 141 |
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If she is a proven performer you may not wish to risk losing her traits, which may happen if you have her served by a stallion that is not a similar type..
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WarriSymbol
Champion Joined: 03 Apr 2010 Status: Offline Points: 3169 |
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Just wondering if anyone would like to give an assessment of this rising 2yo colt by Testa Rossa.
Many thanks in advance.
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WarriSymbol
Champion Joined: 03 Apr 2010 Status: Offline Points: 3169 |
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Anyone willing to have a crack?
Anyone............Bueller?.............Bueller?..............Bueller?
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jayzaa
Premium Joined: 31 May 2010 Location: Avenel Vic Status: Offline Points: 2206 |
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Got a powerful backside, deep girth, good shoulder, personally I would like a bit more neck.
Legs are hard from this angle, but seems to have a strong forearm.
Hope this gets the ball rolling for you
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orpen
Champion Joined: 25 Feb 2007 Location: Gold Coast Status: Offline Points: 2022 |
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The Inglis BC3 sale catalogue has really good photos of the babies. Well worth a look.
The three that took my eye are Lots 14, 17 & 19. As a group the whole draft will be interesting to follow. |
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Campaspe
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Have you had a look at the breeze up and parade videos yet, Orpen? They're up on the Inglis website.
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Gay3
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Just for the record, my favs are 6, 10, 20, 28, 30 & 34 |
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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jayzaa
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marlin, yes, when you do your mare return, she will transfer to your name as foal breeder
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Run For Fun
Champion Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 14575 |
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Warri Symbol's photo possibly explains just why you cant judge by photos.
Appears to have a number of strong features, but surely couldn't be that short in the neck, and who's to guess on alignment? Does the near hind give the impression of filling at very least, or does the white coloring mix the message?
May well be a terrific youngster, but like them all needs examining in the flesh.
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It's hard to soar with eagles...
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VEEEIGHT
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Yes near hind does appear thick in the pastern and I think to be acurate re biomechanic analysis horse would need to be measured in the flesh photos are just to variable.
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Easily smashed
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Run For Fun
Champion Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 14575 |
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Where's Warri?
Been around the place but silent on the responses thus far.
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It's hard to soar with eagles...
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WarriSymbol
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Thanks for the respones everyone. Was holding out to see if anyone else had any thoughts.
A mate of mine has gone 10% into this colt.
He's out of an unraced half sister to Charge Forward by Agnes World.
Went through the ring in Sydney at Easter.
Sold for $180,000.
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DMG
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wouldnt mind riding her
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Nocturnal
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Really DMG ? Obviously starting off a low base
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The only problem with backing winners ? You never have enough on....
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horsegears
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WarriSymbol
My opinion only, Yearling considered.
Shorter limbs, very good closed shoulder joint leading to well sloped shoulder with some extra length, very good distance chest to wither and the strength of the topline. Nice shorter back well supported by a girth of extra depth. Good hind. Slightly longer type overall. Distance gearing shows a bias to sprinting mainly due to shorter limbs, although the good shoulder adds potential for some versatility. Already appears to possess a deep girth and good blade length, so should maintain this general shape. Very nice type IMO.
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horsegears
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This is a good point and it is correct.
No doubt analyzing a horse by a photo is not a definitive. But the above photo may display if common sense is be applied, the photo assessment of this horse may be used as a guide.
Lets see what we can get from using the photo as a guide. The photo shows a horse with a bias towards sprinting traits including a good hind, shorter limbs, deep girth etc. This consistancy indicates the sprinting traits are indeed likely to be true.
Now the neck looks very short (maybe exagerated to teh eye by the well sloped shoulder). As the shorter neck is also a sprinting trait. Now whether the neck is as short as the photo indicates is debateble, but regardless its fair enough to assume from the photo that the horse is more likely to have at least a shorter neck in-line with its other traits. From this photo, from a positive conformation point of veiw, its fair to suggest we have a Yearling with at least a good shoulder, a back thats not to long and at least a decent hind. The
muscle shape on the forearm and shorter limbs also suggest we have a sprinting type. Its pedigree can also be used to further confirm this. In the same way a person who may be looking for more complex patterns, such as the compounding levering effect of a number of bones lengths and angles, can also apply common sense to use the results, to effect a good guide. The key here is that by eye, these complex caculations may not be possible, so the value of this guide probably increases. (of course we are not debating levering here, rather just what value a person can get from a photo based on his own opinions)
So because we can only use a photo as a guide to the above, and its not a definitive rating, should it be ignored?
Well the thing is, breeding too, is really only a guide. An example is that most mares have had no foals, or very few to race, so your rating its foal on a low number of stats that a real stats person would rate as totaly inconclusive. But undoubtedly, breeding still retains its value as a guide, and rightly so. So should conformation from a photo being used as a guide, be any different?
Of course, when talking about conformation, it should only be considered as one desired part of a number. Ideally a horses also has going for it additional important factors like breeding, upbringing, energy system, etc.
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shizzydirka
Champion Joined: 03 Mar 2009 Status: Offline Points: 789 |
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yeppp we all know u were a hack
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SET THE SPINNAKER FOR THE LOSE
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WarriSymbol
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Thanks for the detailed response horsegears.
So, from what i've heard here it sounds like the Derby/Cup dreams will have to stay on hold for a little longer.
Without seeing the photo, one only has to see who the purchaser was (Ellerton Zahra Racing), to realise this colt is a sprinting type.
Can anyone recall even one Ellerton Zahra trained stayer?
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BSB Raiderman
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WarriSymbol
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This baby steps out for the first time at Caulfield on Saturday.
Goes by the name REDANGELO.
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Run For Fun
Champion Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 14575 |
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Always a truly exciting time.
Hope she goes well.
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It's hard to soar with eagles...
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Fairest One
Champion Joined: 24 Nov 2009 Location: Randwick Status: Offline Points: 2893 |
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Well done Warri, only back him today cause i saw this post this week!! He was very green, but has a good will. Should make a good race horse (well he already is ;)). Saturday 2yo win is always a great achievement/thrill. He put in a dodgy stride about 200 metres out I thought but then batteld on gamely.
That wasn't you screaming in the mounting yard?
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Cmon Apparitions!!!
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Gay3
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Great result Warri & super to be able to compare 'before & after'. Hope he keeps going forward for you
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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