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maccamax 
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 Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 1:05am |
 correctweight wrote:
It'll be a shame if he came back. Nothing to beat here. |
..Thats what so many said at Melb. Cup time .
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Scarface
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Joined: 11 Sep 2011
Location: Sydney
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Points: 6275
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 1:13am |
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Hoping he heads to the Breeders
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Cortina
Yearling
Joined: 13 Sep 2011
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Points: 110
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 1:25am |
maccamax wrote:
OneNightOnly wrote:
It has to be said that both those horses had raced over 2400m prior to winning the Arc though. That is a stat for SYT to overcome. I can't think of an Arc winner that's never raced over the trip before. |
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.His Melbourne Cup run assures he won't be troubled by 2400.
Distance won't beat him ....A better horse may.
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Who are his contenders? Forget about SYT getting a strong 2400m. Who will topple him?
We laugh at the weakness at the current ranks in Aus WFA stars, it is even worser in Europe.
Take the 3s 2s or 4s what ever.
It'll be a huge weekend. Moulin Rouge, Louvre, Versailles and SYT as I'll be at Longchamp. 
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racinglover
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Points: 4520
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 1:32am |
Running 3rd in a melb cup does not garuntee you can run a strong 2400m in the arc.
And for anyone who follows euro racing, I think people under estimate workforce. He nearly matched SYT in the eclipse when everything was in SYT's favour (distance and also ground). Then he ran badly in the king george, but he did that last year against harbinger in his only other ascot run.
If workforce is right come arc day, then it'll be no simple task beating him. Not to mention some french 3 year olds will probably be tough.
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Cortina
Yearling
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 1:40am |
racinglover wrote:
Running 3rd in a melb cup does not garuntee you can run a strong 2400m in the arc.
And for anyone who follows euro racing, I think people under estimate workforce. He nearly matched SYT in the eclipse when everything was in SYT's favour (distance and also ground). Then he ran badly in the king george, but he did that last year against harbinger in his only other ascot run.
If workforce is right come arc day, then it'll be no simple task beating him. Not to mention some french 3 year olds will probably be tough. |
Workforce was making headwind 600m out the last time they meet. Can't see any improvements.
Will be a HUGE party down at the Champs Elyssees afterwards. Plenty expats from the UK crew are coming over to suppport SYT.
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Quezacotl
Champion
Joined: 04 Jul 2011
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Points: 14993
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 1:41am |
Cortina wrote:
Who are his contenders? Forget about SYT getting a strong 2400m. Who will topple him?
We laugh at the weakness at the current ranks in Aus WFA stars, it is even worser in Europe.
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BAHAHAHA...oh dear, I know someone who would love to reply to that beauty Cort.. you funny bugger you. 
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SPRINTER SACRE - "SIMPLY THE BEST"
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Quezacotl
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 1:44am |
I love So You Think, but he won't beat Nathaniel in the Arc in my opinion, particularly at the weights, and Nathaniel's brilliant staying capabilities, you know he will blaze that 2400m like it's a warm up. If Nathaniel is sweating up, playing around and going to pieces prior to the start.. put even more on him... 
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SPRINTER SACRE - "SIMPLY THE BEST"
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Cortina
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 1:49am |
Quezacotl wrote:
I love So You Think, but he won't beat Nathaniel in the Arc in my opinion, particularly at the weights, and Nathaniel's brilliant staying capabilities, you know he will blaze that 2400m like it's a warm up.
If Nathaniel is sweating up, playing around and going to pieces prior to the start..
put even more on him...
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I am impartial to following a horse just for the sake of being a fan. SYT has the strength, stamina and will to demolish this field. This is the pointy end of racing and you need to be battle toughen champion and this is where the inexperience Nathaniel can' match SYT.
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racinglover
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Points: 4520
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 2:07am |
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You don't see workforce improving? Strange comment.
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Quezacotl
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 2:14am |
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Nathaniel thrashed Workforce by 3.5 lengths in the King George over 2414m..Workforce cannot and will not beat Nathaniel..So You Think will be found out I fear..
this is not a "I love So You Think" so he wins race..it's the Arc, Nathaniel, Nathaniel Nathaniel..he stays he stays he stays...you want to be on a a genuine 2400m plus horse with minimum weight..he's a 3yr old who thrashed Workforce and will do so again.
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SPRINTER SACRE - "SIMPLY THE BEST"
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subastral
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 10:06am |
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Can't take a horse seriously called Nathaniel. Ridiculous name.
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Quezacotl
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 11:45am |
subastral wrote:
Can't take a horse seriously called Nathaniel. Ridiculous name. |
Hahahahahah now that's a new piece of form data...can't win based on name...Rogan Josh anyone..
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SPRINTER SACRE - "SIMPLY THE BEST"
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racinglover
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 12:30pm |
For real Quez? Workforce almost ended up in the grandstand 
And Harbinger beat him by 10L the year before at the king george, the horse hates ascot.
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marscay
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Points: 5342
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 12:38pm |
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If they continue to ride him the same way SYT won't be winning the Arc.
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saintly96
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 12:41pm |
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3 year olds dominate this race, look to them when backing a runner IMO.
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racinglover
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 1:26pm |
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It's true that they do, but it's also true that a lot, if not most, good horses don't race on past 3 in europe.
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djebel
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 2:13pm |
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Just read on twitter that Sky will be delivering the Arc meeting to us Aussie viewers. I would imagine TVN will also have something lined up.
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reductio ad absurdum
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Gee Gee
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 3:13pm |
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niiiiice !
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maccamax
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 9:41pm |
racinglover wrote:
Running 3rd in a melb cup does not garuntee you can run a strong 2400m in the arc.
And for anyone who follows euro racing, I think people under estimate workforce. He nearly matched SYT in the eclipse when everything was in SYT's favour (distance and also ground). Then he ran badly in the king george, but he did that last year against harbinger in his only other ascot run.
If workforce is right come arc day, then it'll be no simple task beating him. Not to mention some french 3 year olds will probably be tough. |
. . . Running Course records times to2040 and first up at big run at 3200 tells me he will be ideal at 2400. Especially if it's 2 nd class opposition as someone suggested
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OneNightOnly
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 10:48pm |
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Quez I missed your question regarding Soumillon's personality. His confident character and outspoken nature have not endeared him to all in Franch racing. It's a real shame. You cannot publicly offend people like Andre Fabre in France even if what your saying is true. Mikael Barzalona better watch out. Fabre will think him too cocky for his own good soon. Very Soumillon like in the saddle.
To suggest that the Arc is second rate this year is absurd. All it lacks is a highly spruiked, heavily hyped and strongly performed 3yo. Nathaniel and Reliable Man just haven't grabbed the imagination like some previous pretenders and contenders. The older age group is as strong as many previous Arc's if not better. The following have form that's more than suitable for a high class race -
So You Think
Sarafina
Nakayama Festa
Hiruno D'amour
Workforce
Snow Fairy
So if this Arc is weak then last year's was a lot worse. We have all three placegetters going around again plus a less hyped but equally impressive bunch of 3yo's. Add in top Gr1 horses from Australia and Japan along with the winner of Hong Kong's top Gr1 and it looks a pretty strong race to me.
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Quezacotl
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Posted: 21 Sep 2011 at 12:48am |
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Soumillon's personality sounds like someone I'd get along with..best rider in the world too.
If there was an older horse to beat Nathaniel, Snow Fairy on her last run is a show, she peaked and needed that tough run...she will be right there guaranteed.
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SPRINTER SACRE - "SIMPLY THE BEST"
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racinglover
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Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 9:42pm |
Stall 1. Hiruno D'amour - Shinji Fujita
Stall 2. Danedream - Andrasch Starke
Stall 3. Testosterone - Stephane Pasquier
Stall 4. Galikova - Olivier Peslier
Stall 5. Masked Marvel - William Buick
Stall 6. St Nicholas Abbey - Joseph O'Brien
Stall 7. Reliable Man - Gerald Mosse
Stall 8. Workforce - Ryan Moore
Stall 9. Shareta - Thierry Jarnet
Stall 10. Meandre - Maxime Guyon
Stall 11. Snow Fairy - Frankie Dettori
Stall 12. Treasure Beach - Colm O'Donoghue
Stall 13. Sarafina - Christophe Lemaire
Stall 14. So You Think - Seamus Heffernan
Stall 15. Silver Pond - Thierry Thulliez
Stall 16. Nakayama Festa - Masayoshi Ebina
Arc draw. Done no favours by it but good to see Heffernan on him and not O'brien.
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andynr123
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Posted: 02 Oct 2011 at 4:22pm |
It's a 900m run to the first turn, isn't it?
To be honest...I haven't been as nervous about a race since last year's Melbourne Cup.
It would be huge if he could win.
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correctweight
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Posted: 02 Oct 2011 at 4:32pm |
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Would be great for Australasian racing if he wins.
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Scarface
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Posted: 02 Oct 2011 at 4:33pm |
andynr123 wrote:
To be honest...I haven't been as nervous about a race since last year's Melbourne Cup.
It would be huge if he could win. |
yeah very nervous, maybe even more so than last years cup
I just hope he can find a good position early
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andynr123
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Posted: 02 Oct 2011 at 4:37pm |
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Even if this is his last run, it has still been one incredible journey...this thread has marked that journey!
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princerubiton
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Posted: 02 Oct 2011 at 5:37pm |
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so what's the record of wide barriers in the race?
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andynr123
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Posted: 02 Oct 2011 at 5:52pm |
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Dalakhani won from 14 in 2003, Sakhee from 15 in 2001, but outside that no horse has come from wider than 8 since 1996.
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princerubiton
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Posted: 02 Oct 2011 at 6:08pm |
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If he wins this Andy he enters maybe best ever Oz horse territory? Workforce and Snow Fairy are back in form, the locals are strong and the 3 year olds are strong. It will be a huge effort, fingers cross.
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andynr123
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Posted: 02 Oct 2011 at 6:23pm |
It will be the biggest international victory by an Australian horse since Phar Lap's Agua Caliente win.
I reckon he'd be close to best Aus horse ever.
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