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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

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Why is Rugby Union discriminating against Folau's beliefs???
They are his religious beliefs.
If he is sacked for his religious beliefs and exercising his freedom of speech of those religious, he should strongly sue Rugby Union.

Whilst I dont believe in his beliefs, his beliefs have been discriminated.

Folau's beliefs, are a form of discrimination, but Rugby Union have discriminated him in reply.
So 2 wrongs make a right???


Why do these religious f'wits think it is their duty to spread the word. His contract said he was not to make such offensive statements but the religious fanatic just can't shut his gob, has to instruct everyone in the path of  "righteousness " Ouch
& Climate Alarmists , Vegan Activists , Metoo ect don’t do similar ?
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Update: Defiant Folau shown the door

by Christy Doran
15th Apr 2019 5:02 PM
 

Rugby Australia has officially issued Israel Folau a breach notice and the Wallabies star faces termination of his contract over his social media activity on April 10.

Folau has 48 hours to respond to accept the sanction or have the matter referred to a Code of Conduct hearing.

"At its core, this is an issue of the responsibilities an employee owes to their employer and the commitments they make to their employer to abide by their employer's policies and procedures and adhere to their employer's values," Rugby Australia said in a statement.

"Following the events of last year, Israel was warned formally and repeatedly about the expectations of him as player for the Wallabies and NSW Waratahs with regards to social media use and he has failed to meet those obligations. It was made clear to him that any social media posts or commentary that is in any way disrespectful to people because of their sexuality will result in disciplinary action.

"All professional Rugby players in Australia are bound by the Code of Conduct and there is a process in place for any disciplinary matter. We appreciate that this particular matter will attract significant interest, but due process must be followed."

http://www.thechronicle.com.au/news/rugby-australia-issues-wallabies-star-israel-folau/3699325/

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Update: Defiant Folau shown the door

by Christy Doran
15th Apr 2019 5:02 PM
 

Rugby Australia has officially issued Israel Folau a breach notice and the Wallabies star faces termination of his contract over his social media activity on April 10.

Folau has 48 hours to respond to accept the sanction or have the matter referred to a Code of Conduct hearing.

"At its core, this is an issue of the responsibilities an employee owes to their employer and the commitments they make to their employer to abide by their employer's policies and procedures and adhere to their employer's values," Rugby Australia said in a statement.

"Following the events of last year, Israel was warned formally and repeatedly about the expectations of him as player for the Wallabies and NSW Waratahs with regards to social media use and he has failed to meet those obligations. It was made clear to him that any social media posts or commentary that is in any way disrespectful to people because of their sexuality will result in disciplinary action.

"All professional Rugby players in Australia are bound by the Code of Conduct and there is a process in place for any disciplinary matter. We appreciate that this particular matter will attract significant interest, but due process must be followed."

http://www.thechronicle.com.au/news/rugby-australia-issues-wallabies-star-israel-folau/3699325/



What does the code of conduct and his contract say?
"Even the things that I believe in the most, I doubt.”
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That you will have to ask his lawyer or agent.

If it goes to court a judge will see it and sort it out.
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That you will have to ask his lawyer or agent.

If it goes to court a judge will see it and sort it out.


You would hope that the clauses in his contract are watertight but considering the flaming wreck Castle left Canterbury in I wouldn't bet on it.
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Exactly PT. The contract he signed 4 years ago remains as is - it was not "redrawn" as you posted earlier. He had a number of formal/informal meetings with Castle last year - however RA took a calculated decision at the time not to upgrade their concerns into his contract. They were apparently worried  that such a move could make it worse with the likelihood it could have drawn other like-minded players into the issue. That decision in a court of law could be an issue for RA
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He’s in the first year of a new 4 year contract.
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Ironically Kurtley Beale is being touted to stand in for Folau. This is a fellow with a list of discipline indiscretions as long as your arm. So much for a the Code Of Conduct - sending crude text messages to a RA staffer, getting drunk on numerous occasions when it was off limits & taking women into his room pre-game with Ashley Cooper. He is just one of many who failed the Code Of Conduct on numerous occasions only to continue playing the game at the highest level. Folau quotes some religous text from the bible on his private instagram & they want to hang the bloke .
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Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

He’s in the first year of a new 4 year contract.
Well it may be new Rusty - however I'm pretty sure it is exactly the same as the one he signed 4 years ago. Happy to be proven wrong
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

He’s in the first year of a new 4 year contract.
Well it may be new Rusty - however I'm pretty sure it is exactly the same as the one he signed 4 years ago. Happy to be proven wrong

If true, that’s a damning indictment on Castle.....
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From the media statement in 2012 with Qantas CEO Alan Joyce (aka little Irish twat) announcing the Qantas - Emirates 10 year global partnership - "Emirates is the ideal partner for Qantas" - "Its a wonderful brand, .....". Mmmmmm............
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

From the media statement in 2012 with Qantas CEO Alan Joyce (aka little Irish twat) announcing the Qantas - Emirates 10 year global partnership - "Emirates is the ideal partner for Qantas" - "Its a wonderful brand, .....". Mmmmmm............
Didn't hear the word "Disappointing" anywhere - most odd !
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Exactly PT. The contract he signed 4 years ago remains as is - it was not "redrawn" as you posted earlier. He had a number of formal/informal meetings with Castle last year - however RA took a calculated decision at the time not to upgrade their concerns into his contract. They were apparently worried  that such a move could make it worse with the likelihood it could have drawn other like-minded players into the issue. That decision in a court of law could be an issue for RA

October 2018 New contract in the wake of last year's comments. 

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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

He’s in the first year of a new 4 year contract.
Well it may be new Rusty - however I'm pretty sure it is exactly the same as the one he signed 4 years ago. Happy to be proven wrong

Do you have a copy of it handy?

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By the way, had the contract not been upgraded as has been reported, breaching the same code of conduct he breached clause last year and was let off with a warning of makes it better?
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You know what I meant. Fat fingers and a small keyboard with the Atl button too close to the space bar. Embarrassed
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Originally posted by Redemption Redemption wrote:

Why is Rugby Union discriminating against Folau's beliefs???
They are his religious beliefs.
If he is sacked for his religious beliefs and exercising his freedom of speech of those religious, he should strongly sue Rugby Union.

Whilst I dont believe in his beliefs, his beliefs have been discriminated.

Folau's beliefs, are a form of discrimination, but Rugby Union have discriminated him in reply.
So 2 wrongs make a right???


Why do these religious f'wits think it is their duty to spread the word. His contract said he was not to make such offensive statements but the religious fanatic just can't shut his gob, has to instruct everyone in the path of  "righteousness " Ouch
& Climate Alarmists , Vegan Activists , Metoo ect don’t do similar ?

do they breach their contract ? Poor, desperate  attempt at equivalence Wink
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

He’s in the first year of a new 4 year contract.
Well it may be new Rusty - however I'm pretty sure it is exactly the same as the one he signed 4 years ago. Happy to be proven wrong

Do you have a copy of it handy?

No - however i think you were the first to say RA had "redrew his contract strengthening the code of conduct parts" - so assumed you must have seen it
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Originally posted by Redemption Redemption wrote:

Why is Rugby Union discriminating against Folau's beliefs???
They are his religious beliefs.
If he is sacked for his religious beliefs and exercising his freedom of speech of those religious, he should strongly sue Rugby Union.

Whilst I dont believe in his beliefs, his beliefs have been discriminated.

Folau's beliefs, are a form of discrimination, but Rugby Union have discriminated him in reply.
So 2 wrongs make a right???


Why do these religious f'wits think it is their duty to spread the word. His contract said he was not to make such offensive statements but the religious fanatic just can't shut his gob, has to instruct everyone in the path of  "righteousness " Ouch
& Climate Alarmists , Vegan Activists , Metoo ect don’t do similar ?

do they breach their contract ? Poor, desperate  attempt at equivalence Wink
umm..."Why do these religious f'wits think it is their duty to spread the word"
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Just a question PT - who would you prefer your kids to hang around with. Izzy or Todd Carney ?
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Just a question PT - who would you prefer your kids to hang around with. Izzy or Todd Carney ?
or maybe Craig Field or John Elias
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Just a question PT - who would you prefer your kids to hang around with. Izzy or Todd Carney ?

I dont understand the question, nor what the point of it is.Confused
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

From the media statement in 2012 with Qantas CEO Alan Joyce (aka little Irish twat) announcing the Qantas - Emirates 10 year global partnership - "Emirates is the ideal partner for Qantas" - "Its a wonderful brand, .....". Mmmmmm............
Didn't hear the word "Disappointing" anywhere - most odd !
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Just a question PT - who would you prefer your kids to hang around with. Izzy or Todd Carney ?

I dont understand the question, nor what the point of it is.Confused
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Do you mean a bloke who does dumb things when he is drunk(who hasn't) or a bloke who cites God to excuse his abhorrent views but lies when it comes to legal contracts and his obligations to his employer?
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Do you mean a bloke who does dumb things when he is drunk(who hasn't) or a bloke who cites God to excuse his abhorrent views but lies when it comes to legal contracts and his obligations to his employer?
No - i'm talking about comparing a proven degenerate vs a bloke who just wants to play Rugby
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

From the media statement in 2012 with Qantas CEO Alan Joyce (aka little Irish twat) announcing the Qantas - Emirates 10 year global partnership - "Emirates is the ideal partner for Qantas" - "Its a wonderful brand, .....". Mmmmmm............
Didn't hear the word "Disappointing" anywhere - most odd !
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What sort of comment are you looking for with this one? Something about your comment being rightly thrown in the discard pile when you disparage Alan Joyce’s nationality and physical stature when neither have any relevance to anything?
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Do you mean a bloke who does dumb things when he is drunk(who hasn't) or a bloke who cites God to excuse his abhorrent views but lies when it comes to legal contracts and his obligations to his employer?
No - i'm talking about comparing a proven degenerate vs a bloke who just wants to play Rugby

Toddy is our captain-coach here this year. Hasn't been reported as pissing anywhere yet.
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Originally posted by ExceedAndExcel ExceedAndExcel wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

From the media statement in 2012 with Qantas CEO Alan Joyce (aka little Irish twat) announcing the Qantas - Emirates 10 year global partnership - "Emirates is the ideal partner for Qantas" - "Its a wonderful brand, .....". Mmmmmm............
Didn't hear the word "Disappointing" anywhere - most odd !
Thought this post might have got a comment from SOMEONE !




What sort of comment are you looking for with this one? Something about your comment being rightly thrown in the discard pile when you disparage Alan Joyce’s nationality and physical stature when neither have any relevance to anything?
I see - sorry if that comment upset you E&E. How about the way Joyce can conveniently work with a Company like Emirates who have a history of treating LGBT travelers poorly - & do not allow their staff to be LGBT. Yet the same bloke calls Folaus comment "disappointing". Has he ever spoken out about his business partners attitude to same ?
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Do you mean a bloke who does dumb things when he is drunk(who hasn't) or a bloke who cites God to excuse his abhorrent views but lies when it comes to legal contracts and his obligations to his employer?
No - i'm talking about comparing a proven degenerate vs a bloke who just wants to play Rugby

Toddy is our captain-coach here this year. Hasn't been reported as pissing anywhere yet.
Excellent PT. Just goes to show if you give a bloke enough chances he will eventually come good. I think in Todds case it was about 63.
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