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Has Maria breached her contract yet in solidarity with Izzy's dad?

She nearly did a couple of months ago and was reminded that she wasn't indispensable.
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Ken the gender ambiguity hen with a helpful explainer of the proposed religious freedom legislation.

 

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So is Jillian Triggered or Tim Soupandparmigiana getting the appointment as Religious Freedom Commissioner? ... or maybe Alan Joyce ... the way that QuAiNTASs is traveling, won't be long before he will be scouring the Herald on a Monday ...
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How’s Virgin Australia going? They’ve stepped up and improved their market share and profitability after this Folau stuff right? They must be killing it!
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

So is Jillian Triggered or Tim Soupandparmigiana getting the appointment as Religious Freedom Commissioner? ... or maybe Alan Joyce ... the way that QuAiNTASs is traveling, won't be long before he will be scouring the Herald on a Monday ...
  Seems its all about petrol prices according some on here. When prices are down you make a quid - when they go up you don't. Makes you wonder how these blokes justify there $20 million $/yr salaries. Inclusiveness maybe 
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Hopefully Joycey & Raelz can both get rissoled around the same time in the near future. That would be very inclusive of them
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

So is Jillian Triggered or Tim Soupandparmigiana getting the appointment as Religious Freedom Commissioner? ... or maybe Alan Joyce ... the way that QuAiNTASs is traveling, won't be long before he will be scouring the Herald on a Monday ...
  Seems its all about petrol prices according some on here. When prices are down you make a quid - when they go up you don't. Makes you wonder how these blokes justify there $20 million $/yr salaries. Inclusiveness maybe 




When fuel is circa 25% of total expenses then you don’t have to be Einstein to realise that it is a big driver of profitability. You just need to be able to read a financial statement at a basic level.
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Did you mean Epstein?Tongue
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... anyway, must be a good time to be in fossil fuel export.

How Good is ScoMo!!!Heart

If you think surpluses are always good, prepare for great news


Don’t look now, but Australians’ economic dealings with the rest of the world have transformed while our attention has been elsewhere. Business economists are predicting that, on Tuesday, we’ll learn the usual deficit on the current account of the balance of payments has become a surplus.

If so, it will be the first quarterly surplus in 44 years. If not, we’ll come damn close.

You have to be old to appreciate what a remarkable transformation that is. Back in the 1980s we were so worried about the rise in the current account deficit and the foreign debt that it was a regular subject for radio shock jocks’ outrage. They knew nothing about what it meant, but they did know that “deficit” and “debt” were very bad words.


https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/if-you-think-surpluses-are-always-good-prepare-for-great-news-20190830-p52mdc.html

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Cmon Doc, pay attention. Thermal coal prices are pretty much down by a third over the past year.....
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So you mean HOW GOOD IS SCOMO!!!Hug

... agreed that we need to start producing our own petrol though!Thumbs Up
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Haha, scomo ......

Libs have been in for 6 years?
They have 3 policies.
Deport brown people
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Libs Immigration Policy.

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When is the Employment Protection of Islamists and Cultists Act going to become law?
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Haha, scomo ......

Libs have been in for 6 years?
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Deport brown people
Allow Christians and only Christians to discriminate.
Declare a surplus at the expense of the economy.

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So PT, let me get this right.

You are supporting criminal Economic "Refugees" from Sri Lanka, who paid people smugglers (who drown people at sea) to bring them here, saying that they should be allowed to stay - when they have made 7 failed applications and 3 court cases - paid for by the taxpayers - that have proven "beyond reasonable doubt" that they are not genuine asylum seekers. Just like 1500 similar crooks who have been sent home to Sri Lanka since the ALP let them in under Rudd/Gillard/Rudds open border policies ... why, are you deluded?  

They can return to their home now anyway - there is no "threat" anymore - he can get as interested as he likes in Radical Islamic Terror over there too - not so much here!

... and you want to compare these undesirable criminals to a couple of sweet young girls, who were in the country LEGALLY, who just wanted to extend their holiday, and were happy to pay their way in kind at ZERO cost to their hosts?Wacko

Why is "Elbow" so excited about this ... do they have ALDI SHOPPING BAGS FULL OF CASH???? Wink
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The court case that could cruel Folau's challenge 

Peter FitzSimons
Columnist and authorSeptember 4, 2019 — 7.00pmNigh on 40 years ago at Sydney Uni, I enjoyed studying a few law subjects. There was a pleasing purity to legal principles in such things as contracts and torts. The problem was when it came to exceptions to those principles, and then exceptions to those exceptions, and THEN – I gelati you not – exceptions to the exceptions to the exceptions to the exceptions. When the principle of one torts case had exceptions to the power of five, I knew the law was not for me.

All of which is a long-winded way of saying that though I have a rough grasp of legal concepts – when they are not much more complicated than the propulsion system of Fred Flintstone’s car – don’t bet the sheep-station on me.

But . . .

But I still reckon a case decided in the Federal Court on Tuesday has major implications for the Israel Folau case!

See, the case decided involved Dr Gary Rumble, who was a consultant for the legal firm of HWL Ebsworth, which over the last decade has been doing a lot of work for the likes of the Department of Defence and the Department of Veterans’ Affairs among others. The case turned on Dr Rumble publicly criticising the government and those departments for failing to implement the recommendations he made in his report on historical sexual abuse in the Australian Defence Force.

In the summation of the case and his findings, Justice Nye Perram, as reported by the Herald’s Michaela Whitbourn, “said Dr Rumble had ‘irritated’ the firm's managing partner, Juan Martinez, by making ‘a number of public remarks’ to the effect that ‘the government was not doing enough to implement the inquiry’s recommendations’.”

Very broadly, after it happened the first time, Dr Rumble was told by the law firm to pipe down, and stop criticising the entities that the law firm depended on for their income stream and . . .

And yes, as I told you, it already sounds familiar to the Folau case, but wait, it’s about to be eerilysimilar.

For Dr Rumble persisted in his damaging criticisms. Despite the firm implementing a policy, “requiring its partners and staff not to engage in criticisms of the firm’s clients without the permission of Mr Martinez,” in 2016, Dr Rumble penned a piece for The Canberra Times bitterly attacking the government again, and was shortly thereafter sacked for his trouble.

The action taken by Dr Rumble was for adverse action – unfair dismissal to you and I – and he maintained “the firm had discriminated against him on the basis of his political opinion.”

Justice Perram firmly and formally disagreed in his judgment, concluding Dr Rumble “was not terminated because of his political opinion, as to which the firm was at least indifferent and quite possibly in fact sympathetic. It terminated him because he repeatedly disobeyed a reasonable direction to cease from criticising the firm’s clients. In truth, Mr Martinez did not care about Dr Rumble’s views on the government’s implementation of his recommendations . . . What he did care about was the earning of fees and the elimination of insubordination.”

Bingo.

The Federal Court will, of course, weigh up the Folau case without fear or favour, and certainly won’t be influenced by the view of one sweetheart from the Herald who only ever got passes at legal subjects anyway. And unlike those who still carry on that despite his conviction George Pell is innocent – but don’t get me started – I will respect the process and their judgment when it comes down.

But in the meantime, the parallels are fascinating, yes? And I am not the only one, I assure you, who thinks the judgment has enormous significance to the Folau case, but I’ll get to my own star witness shortly.

In the case of Rugby Australia, who can doubt its employee Israel Folau acted in a manner that caused them financial harm when he first put up his homophobic posts? No ifs, no buts, that is demonstrably true in my view and I am told Rugby Australia will have no trouble proving it.

Despite that, they signed Folau to another four-year contract, obviously telling him not to express the same views as previously. Again, that will be easily demonstrated. Like Dr Rumble, however, Folau did it again, and was dismissed.

When it came down to it, the Federal Court found in the case of Dr Rumble that the employer had every right to terminate the contract of an employee who was putting into the public domain comments that would hurt that employer, after that employee had been warned not to do so. They didn’t need to weigh up the rights or wrongs of the comments, or even a human right – under an asserted freedom of speech etc – to say them.

He had been told not to say them, because it was likely to hurt the firm’s income stream. He said them. He was sacked. The court upheld the decision. Case closed.

And though that is the limit of my legal understanding, stay with me. For I would now like to call to the stand, for the purposes of this column only, Max Kimber SC, who ran the successful case for Ebsworth.

“I believe this case has real implications for the Folau case,” the gun barrister says flatly. “This case reaffirms that an employee is obliged to act in the best interest of the employer, and if they don’t, the employee can be dismissed.

“The Federal Court took the view that the employee is there as an agent and representative of the employer, and is required to act in their best interests. They didn’t sack Rumble because they disagreed with what he said. It was enough to prove that his actions risked hurting their business. So, the likely implications are that if the Waratahs and Rugby Australia can show that the Folau posts hurt their business, and that he too was warned, then based on the Rumble case, the Federal Court could well rule against Folau.”

Thank you, Max Kimber SC, you may stand down, with my thanks.

Not case closed though. The Federal Court will decide the case on its merits, did I mention? But very interesting!

Peter FitzSimons

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The Pretentious Pirate backs about as many successful causes as PT and his minions do!LOL

Didn't see the word "religious beliefs" mentioned in that anywhere ... not that I bothered reading it!Wink
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Nothing about religion , Doc, but the little part that went over your head is about the rights of an employer to get rid of an obtuse employee.
Ever been in that position Doc or do you keep all your ratbags on board?
(Don’t answer, I can guess how you got on with your previous employers)
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True Softy, it is easy to get lost in Doc's circular distractions that this is a simple case of employment law, despite the LNP trying to retrospectively make it acceptable to be a religious bigot to help out Izzy. 
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Nothing about religion , Doc, but the little part that went over your head is about the rights of an employer to get rid of an obtuse employee.
Ever been in that position Doc or do you keep all your ratbags on board?
(Don’t answer, I can guess how you got on with your previous employers)

Based on that irrational dribble, you are a bit of a know nothing fool aren't you, making comments on stuff you could not possibly have a clue about Embarrassed... I didn't bother reading what that unhinged leftard elitist said - i've been caught out like that before, never again!Wink - but you confirmed that there was nothing about religion in his biased rant anyway ... thank you!Big smile

FYI - have never employed anyone who brought my business into disrepute, and I never discriminated against an employee due to their religious beliefs ... so what the very fcuk would your point be???LOL 

... don't stop trying softly, never give up, OK!Wacko
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PT, didn't i give you enough straws last time? ... sorry they were plastic.
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What did you think of Matthews verse Doc?
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Who is this Matthew, and what band is he with?Confused

Oh ... I see! I'm sorry softy, I don't own a bible. I'm an Atheist ... but I'm keeping an open mind about this repenting business.Big smile
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Izzy going to speak at the "Not Ashamed" Conference. Just goes about spreading Gods word without fanfare ;

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Is that the same Australian Christian Lobby that has bought and paid for him to carry their hate agenda?
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No - the Australian public has paid for that PT. And they wanted to pay more
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