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djebel
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Let's be fair dinkum the Folau tweets would not be an issue if it was not for the boss of Qantas. But I guess you guys and guys have discussed that in the previous 10 pages.
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reductio ad absurdum
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oneonesit
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I agree djebel. No one was going to stop watching / supporting the game based on Folau's comments. I mean who on here follow his Instagram posts ?Absolute beat up - he is a religious nutter as you say - & he is only saying stuff that you can here at the Domain any day of the week as you pass by. It certainly has been blown up by the Qantus sponsorship led by the the little Irish twat. If Joyce & Castle want to go around getting their photos taken at every Gay function going then they are setting themselves up for some backlash - which has happened. Joyce is also fully exposed on his involvement with Emirates - showing he is no better than what some are accusing Folau as (a hypocrite). And just how well is this "inclusiveness" stuff been helping the game anyway ? - its on its bloody knees. Maybe they should be targeting the bogan rednecks- probably do a whole lot better (couldn't be much worse)
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acacia alba
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Dont have sex I suppose ????
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animals before people.
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oneonesit
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The relationship between RA & Qantus - & Castle & Joyce - has resulted in RA being a target for activists on both sides of this. Obvious battleground. Hopefully it will be the final straw to kill the game off completely. Too many footy codes in this country already
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Dr E
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... similarly with QANTAS's arrangements with Emirates and Islamic values ... and with American Airlines and Christian values ... has Mr Joyce "come out" anywhere else than in Australia?
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Whale
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Totally incorrect, with the sensitivities these days no sponsor wants to be associated with those sort of comments. Is a slur on Joyce
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Dr E
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All you have to do is repent ... apparently everything is forgiven ... just don't go dying in your sleep djebel!
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Passing Through
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He also understood that saying he would walk away for his belief was tantamount to a concession of breach and that it would mean forfeiting his $4m. Challenging on some spurious religious beliefs furphy gives him the opportunity to argue for a settlement.
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Carioca
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Just before the beer chaser. |
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Whale
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Hatch does
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Folau is right though, Easter and Xmas are pagan holidays
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EAD
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Passing Through
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Jesus said ''Blessed are the cheese-makers''
You have red win with cheese, so it is pretty clear. |
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djebel
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I am an atheist. Surely nobody seriously believes all this religious nonsense ? Although as a wise man once said, Better to be safe than sorry. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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TJMitchell
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How does someone repent their sexual preference exactly?
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oneonesit
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Former NSW Supreme Court judge Anthony Whealy says Folaus case was a "legal & moral minefield". "The topics of religious discrimination, discrimination against gay people, & the right of employees to express personal views on social media raise complicated & uncertain times". "He speaks from a genuinely & deeply held religious view". "He is otherwise a person of exemplary character & his opinions, whilst offensive to some,are more or less consistent with a point of view not uncommonly expressed in churches & mosques around Australia". "Freedom of speech & religious freedom issues could form part of his defense". With respect to his breach of contract with RA - "it seems likely there are no specific provisions in his contact prohibiting him from expressing publicly his religious convictions". The formal warning may off-set some of that. Muddying the water is an overriding unfair dismissal case - re comparison to Beale, Slipper & Hunt. "They were charged with incidents that brought the game into disrepute - inappropriate text messaging or drug use - but where allowed to stay in the game, whereas Folaus crime was quoting the bible". As to whether the case goes onto costly court action will be in Folaus hands - his acceptance of the Conduct panels findings or whether he wants to take it further."A legal fight could be avoided by paying out his contract, but either way it shapes as a costly exercise"
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TJMitchell
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I was hoping John would have something about Gin somewhere...
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acacia alba
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Geeez, Djebel, you must have a miserable life if you think like that. Unless of course you are in heaven and the rest of us are in hell.
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animals before people.
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TJMitchell
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Not telling someone they'll go to hell for their sexual preference would be an even better one. However I don't think tearing up his contract is the solution either.
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oneonesit
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Gee Tlazz - you almost made me choke on my high fibre fruit enriched muelsi then. Goat-herders......my initial read was goat- ......something else
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djebel
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They were religious nutter comments. They have garnished far more attention than they deserve. NOBODY IS GOING TO HEAVEN. NOBODY IS GOING TO HELL. We are already there. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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oneonesit
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I cant cop it - however for the past few thousand years it has been a pretty popular belief system. We cant deny that. And Folaus comments would have been the norm for most of it - & the so called "inclusive" ones would be getting burnt at the stake. Think a bit more tolerance needs to be shown from both sides. Not taking away a blokes livelihood & his joy of playing a game he loves would be a nice start
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Tlazolteotl
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The reason Father Folau feels free to dispense Biblical advice to drunks, fornicators and homosexuals is that he, as a former drunken fornicator, has reformed and therefore not going to hell. Does Father Folau think that people choose to be homosexual and can therefore reform from homosexuality? When you tease out most of the BS in the Bible you can see how primitive and ignorant it is. Why, you would think it was written thousands of years ago by primitive, ignorant, pre-science goat-herders or whatever they were.
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An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought.
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Whale
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no why would he sign it with that clause rather than refuse at the time? Seems principles are trumped by cash, he wants it both wats
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Daraabah
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Well we do know that RA has said this is an issue about the responsibilities of employees to abide by their employers 'policies and procedures' and 'adhere to their values'. So as RA has publicly stated it's values are 'inclusiveness,' 'equity' and 'embedding respectful relationships in the workplace', there must be something included in Folau's contract to the effect that Christian values are excluded from their definitions of inclusiveness, equity and respect.
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Shrunk in the Wash
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TJ Is that what he said? I do recall he said IF you don’t repent |
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Whale
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No doubt the bible is a product of the beliefs of he time, purported to be god's word to give it more authority, but i doubt if it was written by goat herders. Would have been penned by the elite, literate , intellectuals of the time, no doubt high in the religion's hierarchy
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