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As I've mentioned before I believe that the key is Never Bend/Lalun. Still need at least another 12 months to see who goes on to be stakes winners before anything can be deduced.
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Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

Little Phoenix went alright on debut at Sandown over 1400. Didn’t win, but was still coming at the line after a less than economical run to finish 4th less than a length.

He’s a gelded son of Fiammarosa, who is also Hawkshot’s 2nd dam. The key mare might be Saving?
Again ran right through the line at 1600, but couldn't match Ronan's Rock. There's a good win coming.
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Lot 63 for sale today in Tassie looks a fair size lad in the photo.

Doubt there will ever be a sample large enough to lock it in, but there would have to be some confidence in Ladoni's female line being a positive influence for Fiorente.
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Much better than quite a few Fiorente's being offered on the mainland this year.
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$115,000.  Good call RH.  Star
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Goes to Spicer for $115k.

Big price for Tassie!
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Reminded him of Little Phoenix who will race next week. Spicer mentioned possible Qld Derby prep. 
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Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

Lot 63 for sale today in Tassie looks a fair size lad in the photo.

Doubt there will ever be a sample large enough to lock it in, but there would have to be some confidence in Ladoni's female line being a positive influence for Fiorente.
 
From comments I have heard they have a very good disposition, this boy at the sale was very well grown.
 
Our young colt now just gone four and a half months is unusually big and growing rapidly.
Has anyone heard of the same growth rate for other Fiorente's foals?
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Harking back to an earlier theme in this thread.... Mosh Music and her dam Dirt Music (if still willing and able) are maternal descendants of Doubleton. Progeny would be 6 x 7 or 8, I think.
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Literat
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1952
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1970
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1962
Tantieme
1947
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Terka
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1942 - 20-a
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1952
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1952
Hyperion
1930
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1950
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1945
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1969
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1957
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1944
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1937 - 1-w
Kaiserwurde
1945
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1948
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1971
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1955
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1973
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1970
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1955
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1947
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1930
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1946
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Beresford
Portree
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1937
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1965
Worden II
1949
Wild Risk
1940
Rialto
Wild Violet
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1939
Sind
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1933 - 14-b
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1953
Hyperion
1930
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Selene
1915 - 2-n
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Duplicity
1945
Nearco
Doubleton
1935 - 4-r
1938 - 2-i
Youthful
1980
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1972
Nijinsky II
1967
Northern Dancer
1961
Nearctic
1954
Nearco
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1957
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1950 - 5-f
1947 - 2-d
Flaming Page
1959
Bull Page
1947
Bull Lea
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1940 - 4-m
Flaring Top
1947
Menow
Flaming Top
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1959
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1947
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1954
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1957
Spy Song
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1942 - 10-a
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1969
Primera
1954
My Babu
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Djebel
1937
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1938
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1943
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1935
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1920 - 7
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1963
Floribunda
1958
Princely Gift
1951
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1953
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1937 - 5-e
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1955
Hyperion
1930
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1915 - 2-n
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1967
Northern Dancer
1961
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1954
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1935
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1920 - 13-e
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1944
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1930 - 6-e
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1957
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1950
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1947
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1933 - 9-c
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Flaming Page
1959
Bull Page
1947
Bull Lea
1935
Bull Dog
Rose Leaves
1927 - 16-a
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1940
Blue Larkspur
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1926 - 8-f
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Flaring Top
1947
Menow
1935
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1941
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1932 - 17-b
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1967
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1961
Round Table
1954
Princequillo
1940
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1941
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1926 - 6
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Johnstown
1936
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1928 - 9
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1941
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1935 - 8-g
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1959
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1945
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1934
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1927 - 1-e
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1936
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1930 - 6-e
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1940
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1930
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1921 - 19-c
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1935
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1974
Yellow God
1967
Red God
1954
Nasrullah
1940
Nearco
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1935 - 4-r
1932 - 9-c
Spring Run
1948
Menow
Boola Brook
1935 - 8-g
1937 - 8-c
Sally Deans
1947
Fun Fair
1940
Fair Trial
Humoresque
1932 - 9-c
1934 - 8-c
Cora Deans
1932
Coronach
Jennie Deans
1923 - 4-f
1924 - 9-e
Novara
1965
Birkhahn
1945
Alchimist
1930
Herold
Aversion
1917 - 4-b
1914 - 9-h
Bramouse
1936
Cappiello
Peregrine
1930 - 14-c
1926 - 1-j
Norbelle
1957
Norman
1948
Norseman
Macreuse
1940 - 13-c
1938 - 1-l
Mirabelle
1940
Sind
Mitidja
1933 - 14-b
1929 - 19-a
Rossitor
1970
Pall Mall
1955
Palestine
1947
Fair Trial
1932
Fairway
Lady Juror
1925 - 13-e
1919 - 9-c
Una
1930
Tetratema
Uganda
1917 - 14-a
1921 - 3-e
Malapert
1946
Portlaw
1928
Beresford
Portree
1921 - 1-u
1922 - 8-c
Malatesta
1937
Sansovino
Tetranella
1921 - 6-e
1926 - 7-d
Sonia
1965
Worden II
1949
Wild Risk
1940
Rialto
Wild Violet
1923 - 12
1935 - 3-f
Sans Tares
1939
Sind
Tara
1933 - 14-b
1932 - 13-c
Sonsa
1953
Hyperion
1930
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1915 - 2-n
1919 - 6-e
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1938 - 2-i
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Originally posted by GAJ GAJ wrote:

Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

Lot 63 for sale today in Tassie looks a fair size lad in the photo.

Doubt there will ever be a sample large enough to lock it in, but there would have to be some confidence in Ladoni's female line being a positive influence for Fiorente.

 
From comments I have heard they have a very good disposition, this boy at the sale was very well grown.
 
Our young colt now just gone four and a half months is unusually big and growing rapidly.
Has anyone heard of the same growth rate for other Fiorente's foals?


We only got ours as a yearling, he’s out of an Encosta mare and he’s now 2yo, huge and leggy. A bit gawky but otherwise sensible and kind.
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Three winners out of Encosta mares thus far.
Big day for the sire tomorrow.
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I could be wrong here but I think Kris Lees has a 3yo by this stallion that goes alright , a big leggy youngster who races on the pace , I hope I'm right as he caught my eye fwiw.
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Another good win from Mosh Music.... so, how do we orchestrate the foal we’re after??
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Great effort from Fiorente to produce Hawkshot to nearly win an Aust Guineas over a mile.

Had his chance even though had to work a touch for the lead and looked to get a bit hotter than the rest of the field behind the gates. Hayes said yesterday he will eat up 2000m so keen to watch him progress.

Stars of Carrum given no chance so wide around the circle.
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Hello,
here in Germany a filly named Armance (Tai Chi-Argannza by Sinndar, won a Listed race at Hanover
in 2018 as 3 year old) traces to "Rossitor", she is the 5th dam.
 
Btw, "Dirt Music" is bred 3x3 Rossitor! An interesting mating would be with Kallisto (by Sternkonig),
it would be 4x4x4 Rossitor. Unfortunately he stands in Germany and is meanwhilwe more than
20 years old.
 
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Originally posted by anabel anabel wrote:

Originally posted by GAJ GAJ wrote:

Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

Lot 63 for sale today in Tassie looks a fair size lad in the photo.

Doubt there will ever be a sample large enough to lock it in, but there would have to be some confidence in Ladoni's female line being a positive influence for Fiorente.

 
From comments I have heard they have a very good disposition, this boy at the sale was very well grown.
 
Our young colt now just gone four and a half months is unusually big and growing rapidly.
Has anyone heard of the same growth rate for other Fiorente's foals?


We only got ours as a yearling, he’s out of an Encosta mare and he’s now 2yo, huge and leggy. A bit gawky but otherwise sensible and kind.
Decent feed bill for the two sold so far at Premier. The filly, in particular, looks like she'll be needing the extension at the starting gates.
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Has an Australian bred filly going for the South African Oaks.
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FARIHA (AUS)
Chestnut filly 2015 
Fiorente
Brown 2008
Monsun
Bay or brown 1990
Konigsstuhl
Brown 1976
Dschingis Khan
Brown 1961
Tamerlane
Donna Diana
1952
1956
1-e
6-e
Konigskronung
Brown 1965
Tiepoletto
Kronung
1956
1957
2-c
5-h
Mosella
Bay 1985
Surumu
Chestnut 1974
Literat
Surama
1965
1970
7-b
19>
Monasia
Bay 1979
Authi
Monacensia
1970
1969
14-b
8-a
Desert Bloom
Bay 2000
Pilsudski
Bay 1992
Polish Precedent
Bay 1986
Danzig
Past Example
1977
1976
7-a
8-h
Cocotte
Bay 1983
Troy
Gay Milly
1976
1977
1-b
11>
Desert Beauty
Bay 1994
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Foreign Courier
1977
1979
7-a
A4
Hellenic
Bay 1987
Darshaan
Grecian Sea
1981
1978
13-c
5-h
Goody Two Shoes
Bay 2008
Encosta de Lago
Bay 1993
Fairy King
Bay 1982
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Shoal Creek
Chestnut 1988
Star Way
Chestnut 1977
Star Appeal
New Way
1970
1970
5-d
6-e
Rolls
Chestnut 1984
Mr Prospector
Grand Luxe
1970
1974
13-c
4-g
Angelic Song
Bay 1988
Halo
Bay or brown 1969
Hail to Reason
Brown 1958
Turn-To
Nothirdchance
1951
1948
1-w
4-n
Cosmah
Bay 1953
Cosmic Bomb
Almahmoud
1944
1947
14-f
2-d
Ballade
Bay or brown 1972
Herbager
Bay 1956
Vandale
Flagette
1943
1951
3-c
16-c
Miss Swapsco
Bay or brown 1965
Cohoes
Soaring
1954
1960
1-s
12-c
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Originally posted by Gee Gee Gee Gee wrote:

Hawkshot's full brother POWER SCHEME is one to watch. Wink

 
He sure is.
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Ha, very nice colt.

Hopefully a top 3 finish in the champagne will add a nice stat for the sire.
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So potentially two of his best to date (Hawkshot and his full brother) and not a daughter of Bahram in the dam to be seen!!
What is working here?
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Originally posted by HH88 HH88 wrote:

So potentially two of his best to date (Hawkshot and his full brother) and not a daughter of Bahram in the dam to be seen!!
What is working here?

I would agree with kavg to some extent and say that if I was doing a mating to Fiorente I would make sure that the Bold Reason / Never Bend influences were there in some form . They appear in Fiorente through a 3x of Never Bend and twice being through Mill Reef . 

Never Bend carries Nasrullah (9c) X Djeddah (13c) out of the family 19b. 

Straight Strike is Mr Prospector ( Nasrullah (9c) out of Family (13c) )  crossed with Bend Not (never Bend x Brookfield reinforcing 9c with 19b . 

Darshaan carries Mill Reef with Never Bend back to the 13c family again . 

The dam brings back extra Mr Prospector and a line of Bold Reason  as well . All of the 13c and 19b influences are closely related as well . 

There appears to be plenty more going on and you could make an argument that Pilsudski brings some of the genetic influence of Danehill and that Dschingis Khan brings some of the Star way influences forward .  That's the way I would analyse the mating IMHO .   
  
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Well argued points and likely they will form part of the answer.

A search for the "constant factor" in Monsun's good ones in no particular order:

Vadamos, Fiorente, Almandin, Shirocco, Stacelita, Novellist, Manduro, Schiaparelli, Maxios, Gentlewave, Guadalupe, Estimate and Floriot thow up a number of possible answers. 

Of the 13 above only two, Gentlewave and Estimate do not carry Northern Dancer in the dam line.

Given Monsun himself is free of Nearco's male line (he has two daughters) it is possible Northern Dancer is providing the balancing male line.

(Gentlewave and Estimate get their male strains of Nearco through Nasrullah, Royal Charger, and Dante)

The interest in Hawkshot or any of the Fiorente's out of EDL mares is the female strain of Northern Dancer carried on EDL's dam line through Fanfreluche to balance the two ND male strains in Fiorente's pedigree.

Still early days, a little more grist for the mill, and wouldn't rule out the Bahram clue just yet. 


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If Northern Dancer was the key to ANY pedigree then this would be all so easy.
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Originally posted by HH88 HH88 wrote:

Well argued points and likely they will form part of the answer.

A search for the "constant factor" in Monsun's good ones in no particular order:

Vadamos, Fiorente, Almandin, Shirocco, Stacelita, Novellist, Manduro, Schiaparelli, Maxios, Gentlewave, Guadalupe, Estimate and Floriot thow up a number of possible answers. 

Of the 13 above only two, Gentlewave and Estimate do not carry Northern Dancer in the dam line.

Given Monsun himself is free of Nearco's male line (he has two daughters) it is possible Northern Dancer is providing the balancing male line.

(Gentlewave and Estimate get their male strains of Nearco through Nasrullah, Royal Charger, and Dante)

The interest in Hawkshot or any of the Fiorente's out of EDL mares is the female strain of Northern Dancer carried on EDL's dam line through Fanfreluche to balance the two ND male strains in Fiorente's pedigree.

Still early days, a little more grist for the mill, and wouldn't rule out the Bahram clue just yet. 



You are getting close HH...The sireline IS directing the 'constant factor' here...
Fiorente's nick with Encosta De Lago matches Monsun's nick with Tiger Hill, Appiani being the common line.

Go back to Fiorente's sire line and come forward from Bahram to Tamerlane and see where he takes you....connect the dots from there...
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Fair call imo.

Have looked up a lot of his mares and believe me more than a few have been extremely ordinary.

He might just be a genuine upgrader.
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