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    Posted: 08 Apr 2014 at 9:23am
OK, broken down, so what are your opinions re his future as a stallion at stud? Lucas Cranoch, Americain, Shocking and now Fiorente. Will we give them all a decent opportunity or will it be try once and then let's see so that they serve very few mares after their initial seasons until they fly or crash?

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Jeune did okay, so maybe I'm speaking out of turn, but I find it easier to think these stallions have a better future as sires of steeplechasers.


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from a scientific point of view why is it more difficult to pass on elite 'stamina' genes V 'speed' genes... OR is a good staying horse more about management and conditioning V genetic make up??
 
Is it a fair statement to say a slipper winner x another slipper winner a better chance to produce a slipper winner V melb cup winner x melb winner produce a melb cup winner?
 
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Any Melb. Cup winning stallion should be sent straight to N.Z. where foals are given the time that history shows they need and the pool of mares suits the breeding of more stayers.
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How much will he stand for? $13K
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Originally posted by breadnbutter breadnbutter wrote:

from a scientific point of view why is it more difficult to pass on elite 'stamina' genes V 'speed' genes... OR is a good staying horse more about management and conditioning V genetic make up??
 
Is it a fair statement to say a slipper winner x another slipper winner a better chance to produce a slipper winner V melb cup winner x melb winner produce a melb cup winner?
 
The thoroughbred is a balance of characteristics from speed to stamina.  Breeding too much to any one trait is doomed to failure.  However, given the nature of Australian racing, it is not possible to breed exclusively to stamina.  If you bred a horse that performed only at 3200m, there is no chance that they could even qualify to run in a Melbourne Cup.  Simply put, to fit within the Australian racing model, any successful "stayer" has to be competitive over a range of distances in order to gain prizemoney to qualify for the bigger races.  This model is different to overseas racing, and also the reason why we are now seeing some imported horses, who are qualified by nature of their overseas results, commencing first up over 2000m.
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I can't see why he wont be a very good chance of producing some quality 1600m to 2400m horses

Just because he won a cup means nothing, he did have a very good turn of foot.
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Word on the street is Eliza Park
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I would have sent my broodmare to him if he was better priced
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A bit like Fiorente as a SH sire: a step into the largely unknown.
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When you know just enough to be dangerous, stats can make you look stupid.... but, the TrueNicks reports that I was looking at for Maxios' first crop listed higher than average SW/Runners figures for Shirley Heights & his descendants - up around 18% for the Darshaan branch. The benchmark (Monsun & anything) in these reports was 8%.

If these Monsun stats are any sort of guide, there might not be enough of that line out here for Fiorente to give it a real rip in the early days... despite the suitability of his bottom half?
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dont know how good your ref material is Red Hare but its well worth looking at the Shirley Heights x Sadlers Wells cross. huge numbers when it comes to stake winners.
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What I had meant to say was that the Monsun/Darshaan cross runs at 18%, which is above average compared to both the Monsun/Shirley Heights (Elegant Air, etc) cross and the 8% (Monsun/anything) benchmark.... Again, just based on the report I was looking at. I've no preference to the source, it's just where the links took me.

The Sadler's Wells/Fairy King/Nureyev triumvirate were all around the 8% benchmark, which was above their figures as broodmare sires. There's plenty of that out here.

Daughters of High Chaparral seem well placed?

Either way, I think Fiorente will leave a lasting legacy. Perhaps not as a 2yo influence, but there will be classic winners & Cup winners I'm sure.
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Fiorente filly from Libertas

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
First foal. Filly form Statue of Liberty Mare.
 
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Magic Millions - 3
Inglis Easter - 1
Inglis Classic - 0

120-odd live foals... Must be all lined up for Inglis Premier, or VOBIS Gold?
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I'd imagine there would be a few in the stayers category in Inglis Premier, the blue riband?
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3 at Karaka Premier
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What price the filly at Inglis December?


Just seven yearlings across the three biggest buying benches in SH & one in a tried horse sale... what gives?

Is the market waiting for a son of Monsun to light up the breeding barn?
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I'm guessing most are breed to racers & that filly'll probably pass in with such a poor dam side Smile
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who is this boneo horse ranch?
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Dunno Willow, but seem to remember they either bought or sold twins at one of this year's Inglis yearling or weanling sales.
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Originally posted by willow willow wrote:

who is this boneo horse ranch?
Tony Ottobre, according to Google. Owns a few with Weir (Jennio, Maddie Moo Moo, etc).
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29 catalogued for Premier.
4 in the blue riband session
14 in session 2

Hard to sell a staying pedigree in this town...
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Boneo Horse Ranch is Fran Houlahan and Brian Johnston.
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Boneo Horse Ranch is Fran Houlahan and Brian Johnston.
Oh... Thanks for nothing Google. Serves me right for following the SMH. http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/china-horse-club-continues-spending-spree-20160811-gqqdb9.html 

Hope they have a big fill up at the sale.
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Three catalogued in Tassie, one in Perth.

All up, he could be looking at a sales average of less than $40k, quite possibly less than $20k if the balance go through the VOBIS Gold sale.

Not a lot of meat on the bone after $17,600 service fee.
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