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Majestic
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Posted: 08 Apr 2014 at 9:23am |
OK, broken down, so what are your opinions re his future as a stallion at stud? Lucas Cranoch, Americain, Shocking and now Fiorente. Will we give them all a decent opportunity or will it be try once and then let's see so that they serve very few mares after their initial seasons until they fly or crash?
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Geraldo
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Jeune did okay, so maybe I'm speaking out of turn, but I find it easier to think these stallions have a better future as sires of steeplechasers.
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breadnbutter
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from a scientific point of view why is it more difficult to pass on elite 'stamina' genes V 'speed' genes... OR is a good staying horse more about management and conditioning V genetic make up??
Is it a fair statement to say a slipper winner x another slipper winner a better chance to produce a slipper winner V melb cup winner x melb winner produce a melb cup winner? |
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early4lunch
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Any Melb. Cup winning stallion should be sent straight to N.Z. where foals are given the time that history shows they need and the pool of mares suits the breeding of more stayers.
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Gee Gee
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How much will he stand for? $13K
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Progold
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bradjm
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I can't see why he wont be a very good chance of producing some quality 1600m to 2400m horses
Just because he won a cup means nothing, he did have a very good turn of foot. |
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Secretariat
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Word on the street is Eliza Park
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Gay3
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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whitt0
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I would have sent my broodmare to him if he was better priced
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djebel
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reductio ad absurdum
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troppo75
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Now having passed 1000 posts I feel you are all so much the wiser for my having said... stuff!
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Second Chance
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A bit like Fiorente as a SH sire: a step into the largely unknown.
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Gee Gee
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Red Hare
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When you know just enough to be dangerous, stats can make you look stupid.... but, the TrueNicks reports that I was looking at for Maxios' first crop listed higher than average SW/Runners figures for Shirley Heights & his descendants - up around 18% for the Darshaan branch. The benchmark (Monsun & anything) in these reports was 8%.
If these Monsun stats are any sort of guide, there might not be enough of that line out here for Fiorente to give it a real rip in the early days... despite the suitability of his bottom half?
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slowdown
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dont know how good your ref material is Red Hare but its well worth looking at the Shirley Heights x Sadlers Wells cross. huge numbers when it comes to stake winners.
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Red Hare
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What I had meant to say was that the Monsun/Darshaan cross runs at 18%, which is above average compared to both the Monsun/Shirley Heights (Elegant Air, etc) cross and the 8% (Monsun/anything) benchmark.... Again, just based on the report I was looking at. I've no preference to the source, it's just where the links took me.
The Sadler's Wells/Fairy King/Nureyev triumvirate were all around the 8% benchmark, which was above their figures as broodmare sires. There's plenty of that out here. Daughters of High Chaparral seem well placed? Either way, I think Fiorente will leave a lasting legacy. Perhaps not as a 2yo influence, but there will be classic winners & Cup winners I'm sure. |
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Gee Gee
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First foal. Filly form Statue of Liberty Mare.
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Red Hare
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Magic Millions - 3
Inglis Easter - 1 Inglis Classic - 0 120-odd live foals... Must be all lined up for Inglis Premier, or VOBIS Gold?
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Beliskner
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I'd imagine there would be a few in the stayers category in Inglis Premier, the blue riband?
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StormSiren
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3 at Karaka Premier
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Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It.
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Red Hare
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What price the filly at Inglis December?
Just seven yearlings across the three biggest buying benches in SH & one in a tried horse sale... what gives? Is the market waiting for a son of Monsun to light up the breeding barn?
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Gay3
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I'm guessing most are breed to racers & that filly'll probably pass in with such a poor dam side
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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willow
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who is this boneo horse ranch?
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Second Chance
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Dunno Willow, but seem to remember they either bought or sold twins at one of this year's Inglis yearling or weanling sales.
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Red Hare
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29 catalogued for Premier.
4 in the blue riband session 14 in session 2 Hard to sell a staying pedigree in this town... |
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Campaspe
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Boneo Horse Ranch is Fran Houlahan and Brian Johnston.
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Red Hare
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Hope they have a big fill up at the sale.
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Red Hare
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Three catalogued in Tassie, one in Perth.
All up, he could be looking at a sales average of less than $40k, quite possibly less than $20k if the balance go through the VOBIS Gold sale. Not a lot of meat on the bone after $17,600 service fee.
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