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Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

Based on what? You carry on like this is fact, there is zero evidence to support your claim. Just because of his breeding none of what you claim is fact.


I'll place you in the same category as Weir. Probably only have a rough idea how good a horse is when they have finished racing.



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Why do you think he is such a champion? Outside of your head he hasn't shown anything on the track to suggest he has the makings of a champion. No need to be so arrogant.

I think you've seen his breeding and have developed some romanticized idea of what this horse could be, rather than looking at what he is.
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

I reckon his aims are pretty clear cut.

- Win as much prize money as possible
- Bag a few 'cheap' G1s
- Sell half to Swettenham
- Go to market as G1 winning son of Sea The Stars with a $20k price tag
- Sell 150 covers in first three books




He is the best horse Weir has ever trained and is ever likely to train.

It is not the horses fault he is being poorly placed.

Why does it matter if, as you infer, his ability on the track and his influence on future generations has been predestined, owing to his ancestors?
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Fifty Stars is no doubt bred to be stayer. I take quite a bit of notice of breeding when doing the form for horses going up in distance. As such I have quite a bit of experience with breeding versus racing distance. While there is no doubt breeding is a guide to a horse's effective distance range, it is only a guide. I have seen plenty of horses bred to be stayers that are most effective at a mile, or even shorter. 

Now that doesn't mean I think Fifty Stars is only a sprinter/miler. On breeding I think there is a big chance he will be as good, if not better, at 2000m, or even further. However we will not know until he is tried.
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It is only in this dumb assery country that breeding is not a major barometer because the trainers are so piss poor.

As soon as any colt shows speed Waller tries making stallions out of colts rather than doing what is best for the colt.



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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

It is only in this dumb assery country that breeding is not a major barometer because the trainers are so piss poor.

As soon as any colt shows speed Waller tries making stallions out of colts rather than doing what is best for the colt.



On the money.. breeding dictates if u can stay, u will go broke backing horses who on breeding can’t stay in long distance races. May catch the odd slow tempo sit and sprint, but that’s nothing more than luck
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Fact: The yearling market dictates optimum distance range required in Australia, therefore stallions at stud, by necessity, must meet certain criteria.
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Fact: The yearling market dictates optimum distance range required in Australia, therefore stallions at stud, by necessity, must meet certain criteria.


I would have thought the races at racetracks would dictate what the optimum distance range is required ?

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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

It is only in this dumb assery country that breeding is not a major barometer because the trainers are so piss poor.

As soon as any colt shows speed Waller tries making stallions out of colts rather than doing what is best for the colt.

The colt doesn't pay the bills.
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Ok, Let's agree on that.

But let's also agree to stop blaming the breeders and the horses when the 2nd rate Poms and Japanese plunder our staying races.

It is not the breeders or horses fault. It is the TRAINERS fault. Nobody else's. 





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The owners are free of any 'blame'?
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The owners are swayed by the trainers.

These massive syndicated horses, the owners have NO say.




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There's only one owner for this horse.
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And he is clearly one of those dingbat owner who leaves it to the trainer.

He is also an owner who is a racer of horses rather than a stallion searcher. 

The horse is a 2400m horse being totally kissed up by a typical Australian trainer.




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Maybe they feel he is a late developer djebel? Maybe the aim is get him out to a mile to 2000m this prep and a cups campaign in the spring?
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

And he is clearly one of those dingbat owner who leaves it to the trainer.

He is also an owner who is a racer of horses rather than a stallion searcher. 

The horse is a 2400m horse being totally kissed up by a typical Australian trainer.
You're wrong on 80% of these points.

Fifty Stars may well be a 2400m horse.
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You could probably pick up the full brother cheap and train it yourself for a cups campaign.Big smile
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Rumour has it, this horse (and the rest of the Weir trained Ryco horses) were picked up on the float yesterday afternoon. No word yet on who will take over the training.
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Robert Hickmott has picked up Trap For Fools, he would be my choice for Fifty Stars if he is to stay in Australia.



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FIFTY STARS (IRE)

4yo Bay Horse
D.O.B: 20-Feb-2015
by SEA THE STARS (IRE) from SWIZZLE STICK (IRE)
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Owner’s Details      Ryco Equine Pty Ltd

Trainer     David & B Hayes & T Dabernig (Euroa)
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Djebel will be thrilled..
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Poor djebel who is he going to hate now
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djebel is not thrilled.

djebel does not hate anybody.

djebel was hoping he went to a proper hands on trainer.

djebel is not a dressmaker despite talking in the 3rd person.


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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

djebel is not thrilled.

djebel does not hate anybody.

djebel was hoping he went to a proper hands on trainer.

djebel is not a dressmaker despite talking in the 3rd person.


Will Matt Cumani use the Euro methods you like or train like an Aussie?

Speaking of Cumani and way off topic but Francesca has a new contract and you will not believe how much it works out to be per day.Shocked Nice work if you can get it. Much better than working 12 hours a day 7 days a week and getting up at 3am.
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At least now he has 3 trainers
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Just another digbat trainer in a dumbarsery stable.
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The press control who will be a success in this industry! So you will find that owners and syn managers are like sheep! They will follow what the press puts out there!! I'm surprised Sugar' hasn't received more horses? My theory is floored there at the moment? But there is still a ways to go
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Originally posted by Straight arrow Straight arrow wrote:

The press control who will be a success in this industry! So you will find that owners and syn managers are like sheep! They will follow what the press puts out there!! I'm surprised Sugar' hasn't received more horses? My theory is floored there at the moment? But there is still a ways to go

Do you mean SOS Straight Arrow ?.....Son of Sugars.
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