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Joshua Reynolds finished 2nd beaten half a length.
Much better run, just needs ground.
Find him a 4000m race somewhere - don’t know if we have any though.
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Originally posted by Magnolian Khan Magnolian Khan wrote:

Joshua Reynolds finished 2nd beaten half a length.
Much better run, just needs ground.
Find him a 4000m race somewhere - don’t know if we have any though.

Think the jockey missed the boat. He should have taken off at about the 600m mark. I doubt the winner catches him if he does. 




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My namesake had the biggest wraps on him of any horse ever excluding Oscar Schindler when it came out for the Melbourne cup.
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Yes it did, by Danehill I think , L. Dittman J.Denham. never lived up to the wrap.
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Originally posted by andynr123 andynr123 wrote:

Here's the list of horses that have been sold for over $2m between 2006 and 2010:

Nodoubt Deja - no info
Sakib - 2 starts for 1 win at Scone and a third at Wyong
Saperavi - 4 starts for a win at Ashburton and a third in a Listed race at Ashburton (NZ)
Allied Force - 15 starts for 3 wins at Bendigo and Moonee Valley (x2), 4 minor placings
Perfect Persuasion - 10 starts for a win at Kyneton and a third in the Talindert Stakes
Bint El Noor - unraced
Master of Design - 9 starts for 4 wins at Seymour, Ballarat, Moonee Valley and Belmont, 3 minor placings, now racing in Perth
Mount Olympus - 5 starts for 1 win at Newcastle, 1 second, now gelded
Time Thief - 7 starts for 2 wins, one at MV, one in the Zeditave Stakes at Caulfield, 4 minor placings including 2nd in the Caulfield Guineas, 2nd in the Guineas Prelude, 2nd in the Danehill Stakes, 3rd in the Australia Stakes, sent to Dubai for Godolphin but did not race, now retired to stud
Libertarian - 21 starts for 3 wins at Kembla Grange, Warwick Farm and Ipswich, 6 minor placings, now gelded and racing out of the Gold Coast
El Cairo - 20 starts for 1 win at Hawkesbury, 4 minor placings, now gelded
Seventh Reason - 13 starts for 2 wins at Kembla and Canterbury, 3 minor placings, trialled at Albury two weeks ago so may be based down there now?
Sun Ruler - 12 starts for 2 wins at Avondale and Te Rapa, 4 minor placings
Movin' Out - 8 starts for 1 win at Newcastle, 2 minor placings
Estee - 23 starts for 3 wins at Sandown, Caulfield and in the Adelaide Guineas at Morphettville, 5 placings including the Australasian Oaks and the Wakeful Stakes
L'heritier - 6 starts for 1 placing, now racing in Macau
Killy - unraced
Metallurgical - 11 starts for 1 win at Eagle Farm, 4 placings, now gelded
Shoot Through - 12 starts for 1 win at Doomben, 1 placing, now gelded
Leicester Square - 9 starts for 3 wins at Scone and Muswellbrook (x2), 1 placing, now gelded
Royal Battalion - unraced

Very, very interesting indeed...


Would love to see this updated until 2019 if somebody had the time.
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Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

Yes it did, by Danehill I think , L. Dittman J.Denham. never lived up to the wrap.


Think he was infertile, too,  or am I mixing him up with another ?
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Joshua Reynolds makes his hurdling debut at Casterton in about 5 minutes
Couldn’t possibly take $2.80
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Originally posted by SkyDancer SkyDancer wrote:

Joshua Reynolds makes his hurdling debut at Casterton in about 5 minutes
Couldn’t possibly take $2.80

He will win by a conservative 25 lengths.






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Not a bad effort.
2nd beaten a head
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Originally posted by SkyDancer SkyDancer wrote:

Not a bad effort.
2nd beaten a head

A poor last jump and not using the horses natural stamina cost Joshua Reynolds.






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Joshua Reynolds is up for sale Inglis Auctions

Long distance races and hurdles.

Presently recovering from a minor tendon injury, due to be spelled until November, then assessed for date to start training.

Please contact us for latest Vet report.


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Joshua Reynolds sold at auction for $9,050 to Fernwood Park Pty Ltd (Eric Musgrove). Given the promise he was showing with David Hayes as a hurdler over the winter, that seems like a good buy.

He was originally purchased from the UK for $290,000 😮
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He has a tendon injury so he might not be hurdling til 2021
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How's this for missing out on a very cheap legend. In 1976 my father and I decided to go to the Adelaide yearling sales, at Wayville then, and buy a horse. We really couldn't afford much but there we sat with our catalogue amongst the much wealthier trying to pick one we could afford, we preferred a filly and looked at a couple, no let that one go. Next in the ring was this big ugly box headed chestnut colt, I quite liked him though but my father fessed up that he'd forgotten the cheque book. That's how you paid 45 years ago. We reluctantly watched as he sold for about $3600. It was Manikato, bred at Noonamah stud just 5 km up the road by Reg Concannon who was friends with my grandfather. I'm glad he ended up being trained by Bob Hoystead after Bon died, no other trainer would have had the patience to get the best out of the mighty Man. I loved him and followed him through his whole career, every clipping in the papers,never missed a race. Sadly he died way too soon in Feb 1984, on my birthday. He was an absolute legend.
And we could have had him. Oh well, that's racing.
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What a fab story, thanks for sharing Susie
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There a lot of expensive flops in the yearling competitions Wink
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MOUNT FUJI

2yo by Snitzel who cost $2.8m as a yearling.

Debuted with a 9th of 10 at Randwick today, beaten 13 lengths.

Value now?
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Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

MOUNT FUJI

2yo by Snitzel who cost $2.8m as a yearling.

Debuted with a 9th of 10 at Randwick today, beaten 13 lengths.

Value now?


I knew its goose was cooked when Dufficy made it his bet of the day.

Since it's bred for pure speed it won't take long to find out. Why was it so expensive anyway? General Nediyim/Whiskey Road doesn't look particularly bankable.
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Because a guru bloodstock agent said? WELL isn’t it A FUUKIN CRACKING type
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Sorry? FOOKUUN!!
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I missed Mount Fuji's race, geld him and give him time. I see this week Winx's little sister has been retired unraced. One of the colts in the Blue Diamond prelude was from South Australia I think. Can't remember his name but he cost $3,000 at the sales. Ran quite nicely midfield, won't take him long to earn back his sales price.
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They do not exactly follow the Vincent O'Brien rule when buying these expensive horses.

Before gelding him I'd give him to one of the better trainers in the country that is more store front size than factory.

The Snowdens are lottery trainers.

MOUNT FUJI (AUS)Chestnut colt 2017 
Snitzel
Bay 2002
Redoute's Choice
Bay 1996
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Shantha's Choice
Bay 1992
Canny Lad
Brown 1987
Bletchingly
Jesmond Lass
1970
1975
7-a
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Dancing Show
Bay 1983
Nijinsky
Show Lady
1967
1976
8-f
8-f
Snippets' Lass
Bay 1993
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Chestnut 1970
Silly Season
Great Occasion
1962
1965
1-g
7-f
Easy Date
Bay 1977
Grand Chaudiere
Scampering
1968
1970
19-b
20-a
Snow Finch
Bay 1984
Storm Bird
Bay 1978
Northern Dancer
South Ocean
1961
1967
2-d
4-j
A Realgirl
Bay 1976
In Reality
Secret Verdict
1964
1966
21-a
2-c
Ichihara
Chestnut 2009
General Nediym
Chestnut 1994
Nediym
Bay 1985
Shareef Dancer
Bay 1980
Northern Dancer
Sweet Alliance
1961
1974
2-d
4-r
Nilmeen
Chestnut 1973
Right Royal
Nasreen
1958
1964
3-f
9-c
Military Belle
Bay 1988
Without Fear
Bay 1967
Baldric
Never Too Late
1961
1957
13-c
4-c
Reticella
Brown 1981
In the Purple
Frill
1966
1969
11-d
10-d
Cut a Dash
Bay 1991
Whiskey Road
Bay 1972
Nijinsky
Bay 1967
Northern Dancer
Flaming Page
1961
1959
2-d
8-f
Bowl of Flowers
Chestnut 1958
Sailor
Flower Bowl
1952
1952
22-b
4-d
Not Enough
Brown 1975
Baguette
Brown 1967
Rego
Dark Jewel
1949
1953
5-d
6-c
Oodles
Bay 1966
Alcimedes
Several
1954
1954
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Full brother goes around tmrw in Race 4 at The Farm, OMAR. Breeder retained and finished last on debut, then subsequently gelded. Personally cannot see the reason for the 2.8m, the pedigree doesn't seem to jump off the page, must have been rated a cracking type.... Seems a number of industry figures have joined forces and thought they'd buy a "cracking" type and any price. 
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Hello,
it's not so wildly known outside Germany. Monsun had a FB named "Mont Blanc", he was sold at a much higher price than his famous brother. Yes, he raced for several years as gelding with a handful of wins.
 
In his case "Molehill" had been a more fitting name, than the 'Highest Mountain in Europe'.
 
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I liked Mark Chittick from Waikato's comment.

wtte, "I've got no idea how people put a value on horses once they go over 3 or 4 hundred thousand."

Intimating i think that real good horses get to that mark, then some go further than others based on how much human ego kicks in.
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Originally posted by pnclick pnclick wrote:

Full brother goes around tmrw in Race 4 at The Farm, OMAR. Breeder retained and finished last on debut, then subsequently gelded. Personally cannot see the reason for the 2.8m, the pedigree doesn't seem to jump off the page, must have been rated a cracking type.... Seems a number of industry figures have joined forces and thought they'd buy a "cracking" type and any price. 


Must have been at least two competing parties to reach that opinion. Who was the underbiddder?
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$2.8m my foot!

Vendor was Corumbene Stud (who retains a share), purchaser James Harron Bloodstock (who has a share) and the rest are a list of the usual suspects who race several colts every season hoping to get one, or two if lucky, that they can send to stud and make money.

Not a strong dam line so I think they had to run him up on the basis that if he did win something, they could counter the pedigree with "but he made $2.8m as a yearling".

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Originally posted by Flight Flight wrote:

$2.8m my foot!

Vendor was Corumbene Stud (who retains a share), purchaser James Harron Bloodstock (who has a share) and the rest are a list of the usual suspects who race several colts every season hoping to get one, or two if lucky, that they can send to stud and make money.

Not a strong dam line so I think they had to run him up on the basis that if he did win something, they could counter the pedigree with "but he made $2.8m as a yearling".

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If it it the "usual suspects" than they are probably doing alright out of it.

They are far more likely to succeed with these million dollar colts than ALL those in the 200-500 thousand range.







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CALIFORNIA SKY

2yo Brown or Black Colt
D.O.B: 22-Aug-2017
by MEDAGLIA D'ORO (USA)  from PEGGY JEAN
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StatusActive
Owner’s Details Mr H Y S Liang
Stewards EmbargoesNone on record
Last Gear Change*None on record.
TrainerPeter & Paul Snowden (Randwick)
Racing ColoursYellow, Red Halves, Stars On Sleeves, Red Cap With Yellow Star
CareerSummary: 0-0:0:0    Prizemoney: $0     
1st Up: 0:0-0-0    2nd Up: 0:0-0-0     
Firm: 0:0-0-0     Good: 0:0-0-0     Soft: 0:0-0-0     Heavy: 0:0-0-0    Synthetic: 0:0-0-0




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