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Gee I'm surprised about Alice of paradise I seem to remember it as a winner !!
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Originally posted by MJM MJM wrote:

 
Gee I'm surprised about Alice of paradise I seem to remember it as a winner !!

It has her as a 2 time winner. 




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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by MJM MJM wrote:

 
Gee I'm surprised about Alice of paradise I seem to remember it as a winner !!


It has her as a 2 time winner. 


Sorry DJ I meant sort of a prolific winner , maybe I backed her once for a stack , I think maybe Joe Throsby owned her but I could be way off
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Originally posted by MJM MJM wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by MJM MJM wrote:

 
Gee I'm surprised about Alice of paradise I seem to remember it as a winner !!


It has her as a 2 time winner. 


Sorry DJ I meant sort of a prolific winner , maybe I backed her once for a stack , I think maybe Joe Throsby owned her but I could be way off

Could you be thinking of Perfect Paradise ?




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Shoot Through was out of Oceanfast. Sold for $2.2m and couldn't gallop. Accumulated $28k over 19 starts.
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Shaheen finally debuted Saturday 25th February, still as a colt.

He ran 2nd of 9 beaten 4.3 lengths, with another 4.3 lengths between him and the 3rd horse.

Make of this what you will, but it appears the horse that won the race, Dortmund, set a record time in 1:16:12 over the 1300m at Beaumont Newcastle.

Dortmund also ran 2nd in the expensive Magic Millions maiden in January, and his overall race record is 4 starts for 1 win and 3 seconds.

That's about as much as i can talk it up for Shaheen.

He earned $5,850 today, so that just leaves another $2,194,150 left to make up, and that's not accounting for his training, spelling and veterinarian expenses.
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Streets Better, a $925,000 yearling [Street Cry], also debuted at Newcastle Saturday by coincidence, he also too is still a colt.

He ran 3rd of 6 beaten 1.1 lengths, in an 1150m maiden.

I initially wondered why a Street Cry would be racing in a 6 horse maiden over 1150m, but then i realized his trainer was John Sargent.
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If these colts are truly worthy of paying 900,000+ for them, they really should be kept intact for stud duty.

That Sunday Silence that Tim Martin  payed 2 million for and it ended up in West Australia would have been better off at stud at the lowest end of the market.






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What were connections thinking when they paid £160,000 (AUD 290.000) for JOSHUA REYNOLDS!

Only wins in UK were in very low grade & failed miserably whenever stepped up in class over there. The Brits must be giggling when we Aussies pay massive overs for moderately performed stayers.

He is Gai’s perfect replacement for MICHAELANGELO & CAFE SOCIETY
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I think he might be the recently retired Valedictions replacement
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Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

I think he might be the recently retired Valedictions replacement

I hope he comes good for the owners. Certainly plenty of imports prove their worth over the jumps here. But I doubt he’ll prove to be as good as Valediction
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Joshua Reynolds is now with Hayes and will resume tomorrow at Sandown
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Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

What were connections thinking when they paid £160,000 (AUD 290.000) for JOSHUA REYNOLDS!

Only wins in UK were in very low grade & failed miserably whenever stepped up in class over there. The Brits must be giggling when we Aussies pay massive overs for moderately performed stayers.

He is Gai’s perfect replacement for MICHAELANGELO & CAFE SOCIETY

Gai bought a very exciting So You Think 3yo colt over there late last year. Hopefully he stays a colt and builds on his upward spiral.






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Has anyone had a look at how these horses that sell for huge dollars at our best sales actually perform on track? I looked at the race in Syd last Saturday, race2 I think? 7 runners and stock costs were something like 5.5 mill?
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Has anyone had a look at how these horses that sell for huge dollars at our best sales actually perform on track? I looked at the race in Syd last Saturday, race2 I think? 7 runners and stock costs were something like 5.5 mill?
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I have not Straight, but that 2 million dollar horse, Faretti, did not look like the buyers would get their money back, because the Hawkes third placed galloper went straight past him.

He would be fine, if they paid $50,000 for winning trials!
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If Faretti keeps running like that he will need to have about 500 starts just to break even....and that’s not including the trainers fees.

Make that 600 starts to cover it.


Why do they continually pay $2 mil for yearlings

Absolute madness, more duds than not.

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Faretti was offered by Yarraman Park - owners of the colt and his dam and part owner of his sire.  Gets knocked down to Reg Inglis together with John Kelly of Newhaven Park fame for $2m.   

Colt is registered in the names of Kelly and Yarraman Park, plus two other blokes who presumably paid about $550k each if they each took 25% shares.

So Yarraman is a winner whatever way you look at it, clearing about $900k on the sale and retaining a share to boot.  How much John Kelly actually paid for his share is anyone's guess, however he can at least write some of the cost off as a business expense.

High finance eh?
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Well that's the way I see it on face value, but happy to be corrected.
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The sale ring? It's a very interesting beast!! I don't know what to say.
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Joshua Reynolds finished last, night surprises.
Never really looked likely and looked plain in the yard.
Not sure where they go from here...will keep an eye on the auction pages because that’s where he will probably end up in the near future.
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Not surprised *
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Joshua Reynolds out to 2400m on Tuesday at Bendigo
Because of the small field, he is guaranteed his first cheque since coming here.
Will pick up $700 for last.
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Joshua Reynolds out to 2400m on Tuesday at Bendigo
Because of the small field, he is guaranteed his first cheque since coming here.
Will pick up $700 for last.

He'll pick up $19.250




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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Faretti was offered by Yarraman Park - owners of the colt and his dam and part owner of his sire.  Gets knocked down to Reg Inglis together with John Kelly of Newhaven Park fame for $2m.   

Colt is registered in the names of Kelly and Yarraman Park, plus two other blokes who presumably paid about $550k each if they each took 25% shares.

So Yarraman is a winner whatever way you look at it, clearing about $900k on the sale and retaining a share to boot.  How much John Kelly actually paid for his share is anyone's guess, however he can at least write some of the cost off as a business expense.

High finance eh?

No, it is not John Kelly from Newhaven but American John Kelly who Reg buys for.
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Thanks Monty, didn't know that.  Thumbs Up

Either way Yarraman is the big winner, particularly as I've little doubt the yearling was well and truly run up.
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Just go to brednet and sale mail. You will find all these supposedly top/leading trainers and guru blood stock agent paying ridiculous money for walking machines
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Joshua Reynolds finally beat one home, another import in Latin Beat

Earned $700 for his owners
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Joshua Reynolds has found a winnable race.
3600m on Monday at Oakbank
Only four others in the race Azurite, Shakopee, Bon Equus and Lord Greyson.
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