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    Posted: 28 Mar 2014 at 6:25am
EL ROCA - assuming he wins a grp 1 race (which he will). Where do all you pedigree bluffs rate him as a stallion prospect??
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Whether he wins a group 1 or not he should be highly sort after. 


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Bay colt 2010 
Fastnet Rock
Bay 2001
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Pas de Nom
Bay or brown 1968
Admiral's Voyage
Petitioner
1959
1952
4-n
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Bay 1968
Ribot
Flower Bowl
1952
1952
4-l
4-d
Spring Adieu
Bay 1974
Buckpasser
Natalma
1963
1957
1-s
2-d
Piccadilly Circus
Bay 1995
Royal Academy
Bay 1987
Nijinsky
Bay 1967
Northern Dancer
Flaming Page
1961
1959
2-d
8-f
Crimson Saint
Chestnut 1969
Crimson Satan
Bolero Rose
1959
1958
26>
8-c
Gatana
Bay 1989
Marauding
Bay 1984
Sir Tristram
Biscalowe
1971
1979
6-e
4-i
Twigalae
Bay 1979
Twig Moss
Hondalae
1973
1968
1-k
2-f
Rubimill
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Rubiton
Brown 1983
Century
Brown 1969
Better Boy
Bay 1951
My Babu
Better So
1945
1944
1-w
2-n
Royal Suite
Brown 1960
Rego
Baraganda
1949
1948
5-d
20>
Ruby
Bay 1977
Seventh Hussar
Brown 1966
Queen's Hussar
Ann Boleyn
1960
1960
19-c
14-c
Briar's Toddy
Chestnut 1971
Todman
St Auriga
1954
1958
1-u
4-l
Mill Rani
Bay 1981
Millionaire
Brown 1974
Mill Reef
Bay 1968
Never Bend
Milan Mill
1960
1962
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22-d
State Pension
Bay 1967
Only for Life
Lorelei
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1950
14-c
7-a
Sana Rani
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Pakistan
Chestnut 1958
Palestine
Tambara
1947
1947
3-e
6-d
Skewe
Brown 1950
Super
Trivet
1944
1930
6-f
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I really LOVE the precence of RUBITON.
 
I can only think of 2 current stallions out of Rubiton mares and i think they are both fighting well above their weight. Dash For Cash... done a great job considering just a son of Secret Savings. Danerich... a very modest race record and going great guns relative to opportunity (junk mares and still leaving good racehorses).
 
Fastnet x Rubiton mare + commercial mares = big chance to make an impact!!!! Im bullish!!!
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Old SA family owned by the Necks at Dibden Park, Oakbank. They stood Millionaire and from memory had a few Pakistan mares(where did he stand?)
Wouldn't mind seeing a current catalogue style pedigree to see how its travelling.
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El Roca was bred by Sydney resident Peter Newsom -earlier owned Gold City (went very close to winning the Australian Cup) and Storm Signal among others. He tends to keep his broodmares and young horses in NZ. He must be pretty proud of having bred and sold El Roca.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Lordy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Mar 2014 at 6:03pm
I've recently bought a yearling filly from the same family.  3rd dam is full sister to Rubimill.  Ran a test mating with El Roca and its was just a bit too close on the inbreeding.  Smile

Regardless I hope he wins that G1 and proves successful at stud just to improve the catalogue page.
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find some more rubiton to load up the pedigree - love him
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El Roca retired to stud

Boom New Zealand galloper El Roca has been retired to stud.

The son of Fastnet Rock is returning home to stand at Gerry Harvey’s Westbury Stud in Karaka after failing to come up at his most recent campaign.

After winning his first two starts in NZ, El Roca did the rest of his racing in Australia and in 2014 he placed in the Randwick Guineas and George Ryder Stakes at Group 1 level while winning the Listed Eskimo Prince Stakes.

He suffered an injury in preparation for a Melbourne Spring campaign last year and has struggled to make an impact since.

Trained by Trent Busuttin and Natalie Young, El Roca finishes his career with three wins and four placings from 12 starts, collecting $416,077 in prizemoney.

He’ll stand for $7500 plus GST

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Good chance I reckon. Had genuine Group 1 ability.
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I reckon the NZD $7,500 looks really competitive given the other freshmen retiring in 2015. Son of Fastnet from a really nice running family with Danerich doing a serviceable job. His formlines through Dissident, Terravista and the Ryder form look first class. I'd be keen on him if he popped up in Australia.
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One of those where his ability probably outweighs his race track record. What's he stand at if he landed that G1?
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In my humble (novice) opinion, El Roca is one of the most poorly-managed stallion prospects in recent memory. He was a broken horse going in to the Doncaster & it was no surprise that it took 12 months to convince him he might be a racehorse again. Basically, he gave up.

Can't blame him.
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too many stallions....

but = cheaper for mare owners
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Originally posted by whitt0 whitt0 wrote:

too many stallions....

but = cheaper for mare owners

You keep saying this, but registered stallion numbers are probably the smallest they have ever been.
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El Roca breeders reward scheme

Westbury Stud have announced a special deal for breeders looking to support recently retired Group One performer El Roca.

The son of Fastnet Rock stands at $7500 plus GST with a Live Foal Guarantee and payment is not required until 1 June 2016.

Those that breed to El Roca in year one can look forward to a half price service fee in year two and a free service in years three and four respectively.

"The aim of this scheme is to offer breeders some relief if they breed a filly and to allow them the chance to breed a couple of colts at an economical cost," Westbury Stud's Sales Manager Gareth Smith said
Thorn Park Aus = Jimmy Choux NZ + Ocean Park NZ = Champions of the turf.
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Good on Westbury Stud.

Initiatives like this will give new boys a chance. 
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Anyone from Oz listening to this? Apart from Spendthrift, that is.
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What's wrong with a filly .
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What? Relief if breed a filly?
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Love the old lines up close, will be one to watch :) 

Great initiative - albeit somewhat poorly worded.

Wish he was closer....  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lordy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jun 2015 at 5:27am
So that's $11,250 total for 4 years of services. A great deal if you are willing to go balls out that he's going to be a decent stallion.
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