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I think as a nation there is to much of a 'give us mote water' rather than 'how can we uae water more efficiently?' Attitude from farmers.

Every time I see a big water winch or centre pivot going on a hot, dry day I shake my head.
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Originally posted by Sister Dot Sister Dot wrote:

BUT does anyone agree that there are huge tracts of Australia, which in main is essentially a desert, being farmed when in fact it’s not really at all suitable?

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Quote I think as a nation there is to much of a 'give us mote water' rather than 'how can we use water more efficiently?' Attitude from farmers.

Every time I see a big water winch or centre pivot going on a hot, dry day I shake my head.

Leaving aside government policy for a minute -- the first quote is stone cold true and the reason why is related to the rotation of the earth itself.  What goes up must come down: warm, moist air that upwells in Equatorial areas dries out in the upper atmosphere and sinks around 25 - 35 degrees latitude (it's called a Hadley cell and this is true in both northern and southern hemispheres).  No amount of water policy or management or mismanagement or whatever will change this simple fact.  And no amount of policy will change the fact that if water scarcity is the rule, not the exception, it's a futile quest to try to permanently green the desert enough for modern agriculture.

Now add in climate change.  As climate change goes on, the southern limit of the Hadley cell will progress further and further poleward.  In North America, this is a major reason for wildfires in California getting worse and extending further into the autumn.  In South Africa, this is a major reason the Cape went 5 years without enough rain.  In Australia, it will make the central deserts and semi-deserts hotter and drier.  Again, this is atmospheric physics and short of major international intervention to limit the effects of climate change, no amount of policy or management will change this.

With that in mind...

You may already have heard of "managed retreat" from the coasts as a way to adapt to life in the climate change era.  It usually refers to people leaving areas that will become or already have become inundated due to rising sea levels.  Well, with hotter temperatures and no drinking water, it's time to consider managed retreat from the more arid parts of Australia, too.  That includes farming and agriculture and any kind of mining that uses a lot of water.
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Wise words, which will no doubt fall on deaf ears. Human beings for some reason, tend to totally ignore the obvious?
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I've had some time to reflect on the 100GL water release announced by David Littleproud yesterday. The more I think about it, the more insulted I feel.

The size of the release, the timing, the fact that farmers have to pay for it instead of being allocated it in the water rights they already paid for... Everything about it is off.

This is a release aimed at relieving the political pressure, not at relieving the hardship of farmers on the NSW Murray.

Now I think Littleproud genuinely believe's he's doing his best... that this is a win! That we should all suddenly be thanking him. I believe he's clueless, and is serving the interests of his party over the interests of water users, and GENUINELY thinks we're being ungrateful and don't understand how complicated it all is.

But in truth HE is the one who is ignorant, ungrateful for the position of privilege he's been given, and careless with the power he wields over the people he's supposed to serve.

Consider: Only a month or so ago the LNP didn't support a motion in the Senate for a 200GL release from environmental water. LNP Senators either no-showed or voted against.

All of a sudden, a month later when it's too late and all the crops are dead, he's come out with this 100GL release.

Now his excuse will be that it's taken this long to negotiate with the SA government for them to turn on their desalination plant to supply Adelaide with 100GL of water, so that they can take less water out of the Murray, freeing up the 100GL to NSW Murray irrigators.

But in a year where over 1,800GL of water has flowed over Lock 1 into Lake Alexandrina (during an 'unprecedented drought', may I remind you! A time when natural flows would have been VERY low were it not for our dams and weirs) it's absurd to imply that they couldn't have used some of that water for farmers.

Littleproud (And Sussan Ley for that matter) hide behind the legislation, they say they can't re-allocate water or take water from the environment and give it to farmers because the legislation doesn't allow for that.

I say that's a cop out, a deflection from the fact that they're not really trying.

Think about it, if they REALLY wanted to help, but couldn't because of the legislation, then they would be proposing AMENDMENTS TO THE LEGISLATION!

Where are the amendments? Where are their efforts to get the rules changed so they AN do what they say they want to do...?

Actions speak louder than words, and the fact that neither Littleproud, nor Ley, nor the Morrison Government has made ANY attempt to change the rules so that water can be better allocated tells you that they're not actually trying. Add the fact that they FAILED to support legislation proposed by One Nation for a 200GL emergency allocation, and you can see clear-as-day what's going on here.

This 100GL is a political convenience. A shiny distraction from their incompetence, mismanagement, delay, and failure.

At best it's a bandaid on a bullet wound, applied when the victim has almost bled to death already. It might make the person applying the bandaid feel better, but it sure isn't going to help the victim.

The Water Act of 2007 must be repealed, the MDBA must be abolished, the CEWH must sell all its water back to growers, and trading and carryover rules must be adjusted so that speculators can no longer game the system.

Nothing less will do, and 100GL isn't going to distract us from this goal.

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I watched this limp waisted flog on the 7-30 report last night and must admit I felt like throwing the remote through the TV, danced around every question like a well trained parrot, another dud in this Morrison government imo, I see the Libs had a nice sendoff for the " resident nutter" for 25 years of service last night , A. Jones the M.C. this goose Abbott was the one who separated the land/water allocation entitlements in 2014 to make them separate entities allowing the Corps. to buy up all the water like ASX shares, was 600 a gig. 2 months ago , I'll bet it's a lot higher now , Libs can't get me again .
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Limp wristed . bloody hell.
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Just an aside.  All National Parks and campgrounds are closed until further notice due to the fires. ( In NSW anyway). So the local man who picks up the bins and rubbish goes out today, and in one camp ground there are 3 groups all set up camp with,,wait for it !  Campfires going.  All from the city.  ( We know this because the local copper went out there and chatted and hunted them ). And all abused him ( the garbo man that is )  and told him to F off and mind his own buisness.
And people wonder why country people get sh*tty with city folks. 
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Brain dead, and rude with it 😡 can’t let catastrophic conditions ruin a planned camping trip
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I read the other day that 60% of the water that feeds into Warragamba dam comes from the Cox’s river system that starts at lake Wallace between Lithgow & Bathurst

They are in drought. Why is Sydney taking their water when it can be use west of the great divide?
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Same here when there was talk of taking all this goood farming country for a new dam.  It was all to be piped to the central coast for the new housing estates. Angry
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Disclaimer - I haven't googled for factual info Wink

You need to read this, & educate yourself about what is happening. Australia is burning because the rich “fat cats” (yes including Scomo) have allowed our country to be coated with fire agents from above. Ask yourself why wetlands are burning, both here & overseas? Do some research, we need to fight this, or die.

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Wow, so our place sits right on the bush in Sydney. I started wondering whether I can somehow hose away or otherwise remove all the chemtrail residue around the place in preparation for the catastrophic fire that will hit Sydney tomorrow (amazing prediction isn't it).

THIS IS DISTURBING
I found that aluminium dust fires should not be put out with water:

"A water stream should not be used, since its impact on the fire may cause the formation of an explosive aluminum dust cloud. In addition, water will react with the aluminum fines to form flammable hydrogen gas.

Qualified supervisory personnel should decide in advance whether it is better to attempt to fight the fire or to withdraw to a safe location and allow it to bum itself out.
Professional or volunteer fire fighters from outside the plant cannot be expected to be trained for the specific fire and live safety hazards associated with combustible dust fires. In the interest of their own safety, fire fighters should be directed by the plant’s safety or fire fighting officer."

It also says:

"When aluminum fines are involved in a fire, only Class D extinguishing agents should be used. The dry powder discharged from some portable extinguishers does so under some pressure and could create an aluminum dust cloud. Therefore, it is important to try to direct the stream of powder above the fire and allow the powder to settle
by gravity onto the burning material."

See https://www.aluminum.org/…/Safe%20Handling%20of%20Aluminum%…

So the poor firies are using water to try and put out these fires fuelled with aluminium and barium, only to be setting them off - most of them probably oblivious to what they are dealing with.

This really is the most heinous evil thing they are doing. People need to really wake up.

I am still looking to find out if there is any way we can remove the aluminium/barium residue - if anyone has any suggestions let me know. I've read one thing that they spray people with lemon/lime water and soap to remove aluminium dust.

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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Just an aside.  All National Parks and campgrounds are closed until further notice due to the fires. ( In NSW anyway). So the local man who picks up the bins and rubbish goes out today, and in one camp ground there are 3 groups all set up camp with,,wait for it !  Campfires going.  All from the city.  ( We know this because the local copper went out there and chatted and hunted them ). And all abused him ( the garbo man that is )  and told him to F off and mind his own buisness.
And people wonder why country people get sh*tty with city folks. 


The copper should've charged the lot of them! Total fire ban and Parks & Camping grounds closed Angry Angry Angry With their attitude I amagine they'll just set up elsewhere Angry
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Not sure exactly what the outcome was but I reckon they would be in trouble .  Our local bloke dont cop no s***.   Fines prolly.
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Gay, plenty of discussion on the content of that video in the Morrison govt thread over several months.

QandA a couple of weeks ago covered this with Kate McBride who has become the face of the Murray Darling crisis featured on it, along with water minister Littleproud whose family were being prosecuted for stealing water.
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I saw that one & was most disappointed in the entire show bar the young, confident lass. Little came out of it & the fireworks I expected didn't come to fruition Disapprove
I just discovered today that flows are determined by 'average' rainfall instead of 'projected'! No wonder there's a shortage & likely too, next year with similar 'projections' for the entire Angry

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There are some independent news organisations pursuing it. This is a couple referring to the $80m rort. You might also research the links between water shortage, Barnaby Joyce, Gina Reinhardt, the number of cattle properties she is buying up in the M-D region, particularly Barnaby's seat. 



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Aluminum Dust from Geoengineering Fueling Super Wildfires According to Author


LOS ANGELES, Sept. 6, 2018 /PRNewswire/ -- While researching for his new novel, author Denis Mills discovered an alarming link between chemtrails and the super wildfires. 

The author discovered that unprecedented levels of aluminum and barium nanodust, primary components in chemtrails, both of which are incendiary, are fueling the ferocity of the super wildfires.



A retired USAF brigadier general, Gen. Charles Jones, has been quoted from a public source as stating, "These white aircraft spray trails are the result of scientifically verifiable spraying of aluminum particles and other toxic heavy metals, polymers and chemicals." 

"Millions of tons of aluminum and barium are being sprayed almost daily across the U.S., stated Mills, a former naval officer and UCLA graduate. "Just sprinkle aluminum or barium dust on a fire and see what happens.  It's near explosive.  When wildfires break out, the aluminum/barium dust results in levels of fire intensity so great as to cause firefighters to coin a new term  ̶ 'firenados,' "  he said. The entire U.S., in addition to various other NATO countries, are being sprayed."

The government has for years denied the existence of chemtrail spraying.  It now calls the program by various names, all under Geoengineering.

According to Cal Fire operation chief Steve Crawford, the fires are burning differently and more aggressively.  It has been reported the fires move faster than anyone has ever seen and barriers that in years past contained them such as rivers, no longer do. 

In California's Mt. Shasta region, Francis Mangel, a USDA biologist tested and found elevated levels of aluminum in water and soil samples of 4,610 parts per million which is 25,000 times the safe guidelines of the World Health Organization. 

Some have claimed Mr. Mills is publicity-seeking for his teen and young adult fiction adventure series, Matt Legend, about four teens who encounter and battle the supernatural and all kinds of strange things, including the forces behind the chemtrails.  The adventure thriller is being called the new Harry Potter.  Mr. Mills states the research speaks for itself and the novel is only what led to the discovery.  "Authors are known for researching things to death," he stated. No one can argue, however, the wildfires' newfound ferocity or the millions of tons of aluminum/barium nanodust which have appeared, which is killing vegetation and causing illness and death.  

"Matt Legend: Veil of Lies" on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Matt-Legend-Veil-Denis-Mills-ebook/dp/B07FVKD62N/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1536166550&sr=8-1&keywords=matt+legend

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(310) 359-8722
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Gay, plenty of discussion on the content of that video in the Morrison govt thread over several months.

QandA a couple of weeks ago covered this with Kate McBride who has become the face of the Murray Darling crisis featured on it, along with water minister Littleproud whose family were being prosecuted for stealing water.
She will be either an ALP or Green pin up girl in the near future. Wont take long before she gets tainted.
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Bloody hell, what hope have firies got? Angry



AV: Yep here comes a new onslaught. The Southerly flow here is created with bunker fuel which then means all of these chemicals head North into NSW, and dry the upper atmosphere.




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ML -  How do you think they created the Qld/NSW drought?

AV - Massive ionisation of the atmosphere using Chemtrails, then HAARP, and then more local effects like the doppler radars and the plasma grid they have created with the cell towers.

ML - ahhhhh I knew our government was responsible for this forced drought

AV - more likely above government, but they know and are not doing anything about it
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